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Roger Waters signs his Wall super deluxe as someone else!

Roger Waters / The Wall super deluxe edition

Jimmy Smith, make yourself known to a member of staff..

Picture the scene… you’ve spent a small fortune on Roger WatersThe Wall super deluxe edition box set. Your wallet may be empty, but hey, at least the man himself has signed it. Er, well, not quite, in the case for one fan…

The super deluxe edition box set (“5 1/2 feet when fully open”, size fans) was announced last October and contains four 180g coloured vinyl records, a book, two CDs and three blu-rays and costs $500 plus taxes and shipping. The official website has all the details but clearly states “each one will by signed by Roger”.

So imagine Waters’ fan Jim Clarke’s surprise when he opened his book within the SDE and saw that “Jimmy Smith” had apparently chosen to sign his copy, with ‘love’.

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Jim Clarke’s The Wall super deluxe… with love from ‘Jimmy Smith’

What is going on here? And who is Jimmy Smith fella? Was Roger so bored while signing 3000 of these sets that he thought he’d ‘have a laugh’ (let’s face it, not something he’s known for) and sign someone else’s name? Presumably. Or maybe a lackey called Jimmy Smith was told to sign for Roger, but accidentally wrote his own name – who knows?!

Assuming it’s the former, do any SDE readers, who also practise law, want to tell us whether writing “Love, Jimmy Smith” satisfies the promise of  this being “signed by Roger”. Should Mr Clarke be demanding that Roger writes “Love Roger Waters” on a new book? Has anyone else received one of these super deluxe boxes signed by ‘someone else’?

Leave a comment and let us know your thoughts!

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Nick Mason

Almost pulled the trigger and bought this set. I’m so glad I passed. Roger signing alternate random names, or just a large R … he was obviously amusing himself at the expense of his fans. What a wanker. I’d be seriously PO’d if I had received this crop. I laugh at all the eBay sellers trying to get $1000 to $3000 for these. Love your music Roger, but loathe your arrogance.

Rune

Mine is missing “love” and it`s signed as “Roger Daltrey”

Rick Stewart

Mine was signed “Love Salman, What???”. It’s a terrific box set with or without his autograph. I happen to agree with another who said it’s a wonderful example of British humor.

John (not my real name)

I got one of the last ones before it sold out. It was signed ‘Love Donald Trump’. He was either bored or drunk and mine is being returned. Anybody keeping it, when he has not signed it in his own name, and is trying to justify it is a deluded idiot.

Jim Clarke

Since all the online attention my set has garnered, I’m quite happy with the signature now. Thanks to all who offered a trade. :) I think I will keep it! (Unless of course someone makes me an offer I can’t refuse ;0) but that would take a lot! )

Sam

Mine is signed ‘Love Nigel’. Have had a battle with the supplier about paying return postage, and I asked them to tell me what number set they would replace it with, but they said they can’t tell me. Not sure whether to send it back or not. Credit Card company have said I can do a chargeback.

S

I would be more than happy to buy your box set and pay postage if you’re willing ? i missed out on buying one.

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Paul Brown

Apropos of nothing in particular but I have just received a Travis album…this one being an “Ode to J. Smith”…wouldn’t’t have thought much of it until I read this thread and looking at the artwork of the album is that the sun in the middle of the album cover or a reference to the dark side of the moon?

DavidTW

The extra 1,500 copies have been held back as replacements for disgruntled purchasers of the first 1,500, perhaps…?

Paul

At first glance at the photo, I thought it said “Jimmy Savile”. What a relief.

I suppose if RW was known for his japes, this would be easier to understand and accept. But he isn’t, is he?

Schu

I smell a class action law suit 1500 strong!

Matt S

I would personally be livid if I paid $500 and it wasn’t signed as Roger Waters.

Here’s a clue Roger, if you don’t want to sign your name 3000 times, then don’t put 3000 of any item to be signed “Roger Waters” up for sale. Problem solved.

David

If I got one that was not signed Roger Waters, I would demand my money back.
With all the negative comments, my question is – Will Anyone Who Bought One Signed With Another Name Return It For A Full Refund?

Martin

David, I would love to buy that box-set from you because it it not signed the usual way, it shows his british humor and it is far more unique than anything else! A truly one-of-a-kind-piece…

Jim Clarke, if you reed this and you are still not satisfied with this very special and unique piece, we can exchange our books immediately and you will get a “standard” book signed “Love R.”. Get in touch!

Gisabun

One of the many reasons why I don’t buy any of his solo junk.

Adey

Of all the fans on here saying that the ones With other peoples names written in would be worth more than the regular signature, would any of them fork out extra money for one, or would they prefer him to write his own name?

gwynogue

I honestly cannot see the funny side to this – I think it’s something a bratty child would do. I’d expect this sort of crap from Justin Beiber. Or perhaps it was just A Momentary Lapse Of Reason (although RW wasn’t on that album so the joke doesn’t really work…)

I’ve never had to sign 3000 (or 1500) autographs but I suppose it would get a bit tedious. But when someone is paying you a LOT of their hard-earned cash for a signed item, you really need to just suck it up, make an effort and get on with it Princess! Show some damn respect to the fans.

“Love, Roger Waters” is only 15 letters – if Vassiliki Thanou-Christophilou (Greek judge and former caretaker PM) can sign documents all day, so can you!

RW’s manager’s response that it makes it ‘unique’ seems pretty arrogant too – if I bought a signed item expecting one person’s name but getting another, I’d see that as ‘defaced’ not ‘unique,’ even if it’s signed by the person I wanted to sign it.

Which raises the question, if he’s signing other people’s real names – not ‘made-up’ ones – isn’t that technically fraud/ID theft?

JR

Mine was signed Love, Sean. The guy is a putz.

Jon

Mine was signed “love Brazil”. No idea what the reference was to. Mine was also missing the poster of the mural. I emailed his Mgmt company complaining of both issues and they agreed to send a replacement (probably because of the missing poster, not the bogus signature). I agree that the only day the alternate signature will be worth more is of the sigs tire said something like “pink” or “Davis gilmour”. These other ones will have no value. I’ll let you know what my replacement says if/when I get it! It’s been two week!

Cristian

Você é do Brasil?

Stereo

As one of Floyds and Waters biggest fan, I think Roger is a horses ass for doing such a thing.

Cristian

Face of Horse, Roger waters

Greg

Did anyone expect better behavior from Roger Waters? The only thing I find more disturbing is that anyone would pay so much for this “collector’s item.”

...m...

…these were all clearly signed by roger; i think the variations (clearly musician in-jokes) give each unique edition that much more character…i still regret that i was unable to buy one before they’d sold out, and would gladly take an alternate-signature edition off anyone’s hands for $500!..

Yves

Jimmy Smith, Johnny Dodds, Roger Waters…
Oh, by the way, which one is Pink ?

Gareth Pugh

I bought the last BEF project CD and the early copies were signed by Martin Ware. He said on just a few he had signed using different fictitious characters’ names – mine was signed ‘love, Jessica Rabbit’. Personally, I liked it, thought it was a creative and original idea, and, frankly, funny. I didn’t feel the joke was at my expense. But in this case, (a) it was only costing something like £15 or £20 ish, and (b) he at least went on YouTube with a short video, sent to those who preordered the signed editions, showing him actually signing some of the ‘random funnies’ and explaining that he’d done it and why (partly to alleviate the tedium of signing a few thousand copies). And also, I guess I didn’t mind cos I already have his ‘serious’ signature on something else. I dunno how I’d feel if I’d stumped up £500!

Dave

What a shame. While I do think it’s comical, ultimately signing other names was bound to upset some people. It would be nice if RW truly made recompense for this in a special way – so that his comedic gesture is overcome with some truly special.

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Carlos

This is one of the reasons why I would never pay an extra single $ for an autograph. Who assures me that the artist himself signed 3000 (!) copies. I for one would get bored after less than 50 signatures. It’s the music that counts, I think.

Kevin

I don’t know a ton about the collectibles marketplace, but wouldn’t a unique signature from Roger Waters make the collectible more valuable than a standard signature?

Genuinely asking. If I’m wrong, fine. But, it strikes me this would up the value.

vikerii

The signature values truly depends on the buyer. Put yourself in that role. Would you personally bid higher for a sig that read “Roger Waters”, or an alternate text?

If anything, I would think the official “Roger Waters” text would now be worth more, since that’s his name and those are now LESS than 3000 in count! Someone who got an alt signature may now be willing to shell out more for the actual name.

As far as the alternate signatures values, I would think the value would be based primarily on what the text read. If he signed “David Gilmour”, like another poster mused, then that might very well go for much more!

Paul Murphy

I have a copy of ‘Amused To Death’, signed in blue marker on the front by me, very limited – sensible offers only please.

gwynogue

I will send you a cheque for 74p (plus £634 postage to Australia!), signed ‘Alan Smithee’.

: )

tyrone tudor

Who is Roger Waters?

MiG

Architect. Likes walls. Will not eat the corner piece of the pie.

Mr. Ska '57

… and to think there’s two large, really nice signatures in my Small Faces Here Comes The Nice box set for US $150.

Kenneth Tilley

all in all it’s just another brick in the wall

MiG

I’d prefer a Jimmy Smith than that lazy R-squiggle. Couldn’t he think of 3,000 jazz and blues musicians to sign? Whoever gets the Pink Anderson or Floyd Council is going to be a very, very happy bunny.

You will note the photo shows him signing the pages before they’re bound into the books, so they can’t claim this was a last minute giggle.

Craig Hedges

Jean Michel Jarre filmed himself signing all the cards for his recent box set so you knew he’d done it. It’s not difficult to set up and something other artists should consider. You even got to see him having his lunch which was funny.
If Roger had filmed himself and shown to the camera his ‘funny’ signatures then at least the punters who got those one offs would have been chuffed to have received them rather than leaving them confused and agree. I sure Roger will go off now and write a triple album which can be turned into a stage show about this situation now.

Alvy Singer

As someone who’s a fan of Roger Waters and a collector of autographs, this is worse than the Jimmy Page stamp debacle, in my opinion. If you queued up to meet Page at any of those events, you knew what you were getting beforehand. However, people have forked out top dollar for the Wall box set in the expectation of getting a proper Roger Waters signature, not some joke alternative. Signing with an alternate name is less than useless. If I’d ordered a box set and it wasn’t signed as Roger Waters, I’d be seriously p***ed off and I’d probably send it back for a refund. Why should the majority get a proper autograph and a few people get gypped with him signing a different name? Would Genesis Publications allow any of their similarly-priced books be signed by the relevant artist with a name other than their own? Not a chance.

Bobo

maybe the people who now have a copy signed as Jimmy Smith, Johnny Dodds or Jelly Lord will be invited for a special meet & greet with Waters and spend an entire day with their hero. Now that would be a nice gesture especially as no letter of authenticity is included in the box which for 500$ is kind of unacceptable. Look at what Genesis Publications has been doing since their launch and for less money!

Paul Murphy

Everyone does seem very anti-Roger, which is a bit odd, considering how much they love his work, or the Pink Floyd bit of it at least. As mentioned several times already, he has not been known to be a Jolly Roger, so any form of joke from him is most certainly a Collector’s Item, and given the fame this particular set has now achieved, if I was Jim Clarke I would be getting this on sale as soon as I could. There also seems to be a lot of rancour about Roger’s wealth, but he only has that because so many people want what he produces [if these sets brought in $1.5m, that’s only about a couple of concerts for Roger, far less time that he would have spent signing the sets; also, post-Pink Floyd legal settlement, he’s a far lot less rich than David Gilmour is].

karl

It’s all a load of rubbish. Roger Waters the genius is behaving like a lunatic. The Fletcher Memorial….are you having a nice time?

Cary Wilson

That is Roger Waters’ handwriting.

Bill

“As a fan, I’d feel particularly stung if I shelled out that kind of cash for a signed, limited edition and the artist in question felt like taking the piss by signing someone else’s name.”

I agree, these “so called” signed versions should have at the very minimum included a letter of provenance that would legally prove it was Waters who signed it. What was Roger thinking, that people were actually paying $500 just for a few LP’s and cd/bluray disc’s. A total insult to the people who put out their hard earned money over and over only to NOT get what they purchased. Way to piss on the people who made you a multi-millionare Roger….

Lapel

Does anyone familiar enough with Roger to shell out $500 for this box set think he isn’t known for his sense of humour?

vikerii

Well, Roger got upset with Syd’s “Have you got it yet?” song, so his sense of humor seems to be one way only.

At these prices give the people what you promised. Or instead of “Signed by Roger”, perhaps advertise it as “Written on by Roger”.

Martin

There are a few more signed by Roger e.g. with Johnny Dodds and Mr Jelly Lord. All American Jazz legends which he admires. It’s just british humour…

And he releases just 1,500 instead of 3,000 boxes. Sometimes I am wondering about the lack of knowledge….

Alan Wilson

You’re correct that’s what the page says, but Martin is correct about the 1,500 sets only been released. They don’t want to lose face and say “Well we couldn’t actually sell the full allotment on pre-sale, so they prefer to keep this info quiet” To be honest it was always going to be a pretty big ask to shift 3,000 at that price, but I think they did well to sell half that, it’s still a good amount.

What they don’t realize is that they gave the game away when they showed all them wonderful pictures of them building the big wall, you could quite easily work out the amount (the boxes were stacked 15 high X 100 wide) = 1,500, and they definitely didn’t do 2 murals.

Mark Wita

All I got was “Love R”, but the “R”is special like a Chinese character.

vikerii

I’m sure the alternate names will have value, but for me, I think I’d rather have Roger’s name on there. Just seems more official.

S

Jelly Roll Morton (Jelly Lord) a famous jazz pianist, now dead

Jimmy Smith, a famous jazz pianist, now dead

Johnny Dodds, a famous jazz clarinetist now dead

The theme is either Jazz, or dead!

Jonathan Still

There were several knows instances where he has singed these box sets with different names. Love, r with a swooping R seems to be the common way he signed most. There is another one he signed as “Jelly Lord” and Rogers manager did confirm he signed it in a “unique way”.

S

No wine in sight on this session though!

http://i64.tinypic.com/3523e6g.jpg

S

Rogers managements response to an e mail re the “Lord Jelly” autograph was:

“Roger’s ‘autograph’ is genuine and what is more, that in the style of signing, it’s totally unique to the limited edition of this package.

Regards
Mark Fenwick
Manager, Roger Waters”

Its well known that Roger likes his glasses of wine (only after 11am though!), and im sure there were a couple of bottles consumed during the sessions of him signing the front pages of said book. I believe he signed 300 pieces at a time over a few days.

Heres another one he did signed “Johnny Dodds” !

http://i64.tinypic.com/30b1jec.jpg

don cooper

In Water’s case should it not have read: ‘ Love,Money…Sucker.’

Derek T.

The Wall live shows used to open with a ‘surrogate band’ playing – four people who the audience would assume were Pink Floyd, but weren’t. The real Floyd would appear a little while later. Maybe Waters is sort of continuing that idea.
It looks like his writing.

Paul McNamara

Welcome to the machine………

baward

Amused to death.

Jim Shelley

In the end, Mr. Waters will probably send this fellow a “correct” signature, or another correctly signed set, and he’ll get to keep the one he already has which has probably already tripled in value.