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Roger Waters builds The Wall higher with inflated super deluxe

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Fans won’t miss the irony. Pink Floyd‘s The Wall  is an album that deals with isolation and alienation and was famously performed live in 1980 with a physical division (a literal wall) being built between audience and band.

The Wall, as performed live by Roger Waters between 2010 and 2013 is being released on audio and video formats, but yesterday a super deluxe edition was announced that is so expensive that it really does divide the Us and Them. The barriers have come up again and while Waters isn’t literally spitting at his audience anymore, perhaps in this inflated, grotesque and overblown package fans might find a kernel of the same disdain.

The super deluxe contains four 180g coloured vinyl records, a book, two CDs and three blu-rays and costs $500 plus taxes and shipping.

To put that in perspective Waters thinks him performing his old band’s album live has the same worth as every note Bob Dylan recorded in 1965 and 1966.

There are some exclusive elements here such as “a new documentary about the making of the tour” and “The Simple Facts – A Conversation with Nick Mason and Roger Waters” on blu-ray although “only available in this package, the brand new score by Roger Waters, and the full live soundtrack” is a confusing statement that hints as something unique, without actually explaining it.

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But let’s be clear, you can buy the special edition two-disc blu-ray, the 3LP vinyl set and the two CD edition separately for $82. So the premium of $418 buys you the book and some fancy packaging (“Hand applied graphics. Each set is unique”). In perhaps the most ridiculous piece of music marketing ever, the official site boasts that this set is “5 1/2 feet when fully open” and “weighs 25 Ibs”. Whoopee Doo. When you have to start boasting about size and girth you know you’re in trouble.

The good news is that those who’ve already pre-ordered some of the individual sets won’t have to cancel to pre-order the super deluxe because it’s a ridiculous proposition. Preposterous.

Let’s face it it’s not even the real deal. Yes, Waters wrote most of it, but he didn’t perform it originally, Pink Floyd did. So a $500 price-tag for a live covers album? I don’t think so.

You can read more about the super deluxe edition of Roger Waters The Wall here (and pre-order if you should so wish). It will ship in January.

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  • 4 discs of 180 gram audiophile vinyl in red, white, clear and black, with a unique engraving.
  • 170 page full colour hard cover book showcasing live and behind the scenes images from the 2010-2013 tour and the film.
  • 2 CDs containing the full live soundtrack
  • 3 Blu-ray discs containing the full feature length film and bonus features:
    The Simple Facts – A Conversation with Nick Mason and Roger Waters
    A new documentary about the making of the tour
    Buenos Aires Time Lapse
    Athens Time Lapse
    A Visit to Frank Thompson
    Facebook Films (36 mini episodes)
    Comfortably Numb Live at The O2 with special appearance by David Gilmour
    Outside The Wall Live at The O2 with special appearance by David Gilmour and Nick Mason
  • Download code for digital versions of all music included in the package

 

 

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LARRY KERRIGAN

MINE CAME SIGNED LOVE PETE TOWNSHEND -AS ROGER GOT BORED SIGNING THEM AND GOT CREATIVE IN SIGNING THEM AFTER AWHILE- STILL ITS AMAZING BOX SET WELL WORTH THE %500 IF YOUR A ROGER/WALL FAN AS I AM

[…] The super deluxe edition box set (“5 1/2 feet when fully open”, size fans) was announced last October and contains four 180g coloured vinyl records, a book, two CDs and three blu-rays and costs $500 […]

Scott G

Arrived this morning. Had to pay the UPS guy £25.60 in import duty. :(
Thought that was all covered in the original cost – hell it was expensive enough.
Rather heavy BTW.
The inner cover of the book is signed ‘Love Roger’. But no XXXs

Anita

So its 23 may and still not received this boxset,has anyone actually received theirs???

Jesper Hall

Anyone actually seen a review of this anywhere?

Anita

No,they didnt ship in january,was put back to march,,its now may and still nothing

tony

putting the 2 set cd “is there anyone out there
(livewall80-81) on 1 audio blue ray. and also have a random feature at the main menu. in this day and age using 1 audio dvd
of the wall is better then a 2 cd set.(just the music. no extras.so the random works)lets move on from 2 cds set.1 disc better.

More for Me

I bought a copy for myself – almost got 2. Cheers

Martin

Most of the comments are – imho – really ridiculous. These posts are showing clearly the disappointment of those who cannot afford the box. The outcry is just big because most of you would like to buy it basically but it’s too expensive for you. OK, that’s understandable. But note, those fans who can effort this edition are just buying the box – period – and they do not complain. Don’t be naive and believe that nobody will buy the box due to the 500 bugs. I am pretty sure, that this box will be sold out pretty soon – and if you try to get one of those later, you will have to pay much more on ebay… On the other hand, there are enough alternative you may buy to enjoy the film and the music – so what is the problem really? I am looking forward to get two of the boxes in January – and I have a big smile on my face as I write this… Now I know that I’ll own something really special! :-)

Julian H

The problem is that there is at least one exclusive disc of potentially interesting material that few fans are going to buy seeing that the other discs in the box can be had for much less money independently. It’s like buying a planet for a goldmine.

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baward

It seems to me that signing each copy has in fact pushed this boxset into even MORE rarified territory than it was before (maybe that’s the point?)

I expect Mr Waters sees this as a mere blip and it probably won’t affect his sales negatively. And one man/woman’s £15 is another’s £1500.

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Alan Fenwick

I see that there has been an amendment to the details on this set:

They are now all signed by Roger Waters
There are 3,000 been made (I think that’s a very ambitious number)

However, there has been no change to the price.

Alan Fenwick

I would like to think it is in response to all the negative feedback, not just here, but pretty much everywhere. It’s a step in the right direction but not nearly enough in my opinion. Next step I would like to see would be at least a 50% reduction.

Miroslav Werner

Yes, this is called “Piracy and torrent support”. I do not think Mr. Waters can have this of his own head and mind. 1.5mio USD turnover is generally peanuts, but prevents majority of fans to enjoy all of his work. I would spend 200USD without even an eye blink. But this is ridiculous.

J. Bambrick

Adam says:
I think it’s fair that if rock stars are asking a lot from us monetarily, we should be able to ask a lot from them artistically.

You and Robert Fripp in a room together would be a YouTube worthy event.

Adam

I’m sorry to say I’m not quite sure what you’re referencing, exactly. I assume Mr. Fripp would disagree with me, but it would be interesting to know how, exactly. (Besides, I sincerely doubt I could hold my own on the subject of art with Mr. Fripp – you would definitely be asking for your time back.)

To be clear, I believe fully that from a purely artistic perspective, artists don’t owe anyone but themselves anything. I would never deign to tell Mr. Waters or Mr. Fripp what kind of music to make, or what kind of packaging it belongs in. But once the art becomes an object that the artist wants to sell, once the artist decides to enter the world of commerce, there necessarily exists a negotiation between the artist and the consumer.

My statement above is qualified with an “if”. We do not have the right to ask anything artistically of the artist in a vacuum. Once there is product, though, the question of value for money necessarily arises, and if the artist wants a lot of money for their artistic product, the artist should expect that we may question the value (artistic or financial) of that product.

It is clear that the general consensus on this message board is that money being asked for does not match the artistic value of the product on offer, and a number of people have offered their reasons why. Those who have decided to buy it are either being silent, or (in the case of Martin above) simply asserting that it does meet their artistic expectations. They don’t owe us a “why,” but it would make this conversation more interesting if they provided one.

Johnny Feathers

Well, yes, Mr. Waters can choose to sell whatever he wants at whatever price he wants. And, yes, all of us can choose not to buy it if it doesn’t seem worth it.

In this case, I think the outrage is caused by a few factors:.

1. Yet another version of the Wall.
2. Most of this stuff is available in the far cheaper video and audio sets.
3. The price difference between those sets and this one is pretty vast, to be fair. And what you actually get for that price difference is….packaging? Hey, this is why I went with U2’s “super” deluxe set of Achtung Baby, rather than the “uber” deluxe one. Packaging can be nice, but it’s rarely worth paying for on its own without some content of value to go with it. In U2’s case, the packaging seemed to be worth about $200. In this case, it appears to be over $400. The reason I like Roger Waters is the music he makes, not the boxes he chooses to put that music in.
4. Waters’ own socialist-leaning political views make a money grab like this a little harder to swallow. Heck, the show itself features dollar signs being dropped from military jets. There were already some mental gymnastics involved to pay triple digits on concert tickets, much less $500 for this thing that’s supposedly critical of capitalism.

And just one other minor point here–for all that money, you STILL can’t watch just the concert, without the interstitial stuff? That’s almost perverse.

Anyway, no sale for me. I may still get that Blu-Ray set–but I wish I could just watch the concert, and it wouldn’t have cost much to include the audio CDs in it, too. But as I stated elsewhere, if I have an interest in just listening to a live version of the Wall, the Pink Floyd version from 1980-81 is probably all I’ll need.

Martin

The reason why people are so upset because of the price is just that they like to buy it in general and maybe thought they can buy it for 100 bucks.

Now we know what “super deluxe” mean: it’s unnecessary, luxurious, looks nice, is heavy (maybe because of the quality of the materials used – therefore I disagree with the author: it IS important to know that this box weights that much), it comes with some nice specials and it will cost 500,- USD.

So what? Don’t buy it. Buy the Blu-ray or the DVD and/or the vinyls – all affordable alternatives.

People who can afford the box, may not be commenting this or complaining that loud, they just going to order the box. (Like me – to be honest, I ordered two boxes). Do not expect that your whining will change the price tag.

Adam

You’re buying two. That indicates you don’t really think it’s worth $500; you are speculating that you’ll be able to sell the second one for more than what you paid for it to defray the cost of the first one. I wish you good luck with that endeavor – the rest of us are just jealous we can’t afford to take a chance like that.

That said, I think that given the audience of this website (people who think that well-designed deluxe physical packages are worth a premium price), it’s an interesting discussion over what people think is worth spending money on. I’ve spent well over $500 on product and concert tickets involving Mr. Waters’ various enterprises over the years, and I think many of us might be inclined to do so on a deluxe package of some sort. What the comments here indicate is that, for most of us, this does not even remotely resemble that package.

(And to the previous commenter, the “exclusive score” may or may not be an “important musical element,” there’s not really enough info to say.)

I think it’s fair that if rock stars are asking a lot from us monetarily, we should be able to ask a lot from them artistically. From my perspective, and clearly many others’, the artistic value of this box doesn’t justify the price. Feel free to disagree; that’s what these comment areas are for. I’d love to hear why you think it’s worth $500. Maybe it will change my mind, who knows?

Andy

Honestly I don’t understand all the outrage. If he had made important musical elements unique to this silly boxset then I could understand the disappointment but you can have basically everything but the bloated packaging without spending this ridiculous amount.
What’s the problem if some people with more money than sense want to buy it? Or do you think that Roger Waters is denying your right to collect any stupid thing that relates even remotely to your musical heroes of 40 years ago?
Well, guess what? You have no such right.

J. Bambrick

Let me start off by saying I couldn’t care less about this package one way or another.

However, scrolling through all these “outraged” comments is about the funniest thing this side of a punctuation debate about a listing over on the Discogs forum. A few pertinent points, then.

1. This ENTIRE SITE is devoted to things that, 8 or 9 times out of 10, the item purchases WILL ALREADY HAVE in some form or another. So for all you people who are so blustery over the price of this thing, I would be absolutely FASCINATED at your math skills when it comes to justifying how it is you’ve bought the exact same material god knows how many times again and again, in a different “format”.

2. It is mostly funny, but also really pretty sad, that so many people keep laying this at Roger’s feet. Yeah, let’s think about this for a minute. Doesn’t Roger Waters seem like the kind of guy to you who sits around in his spare time devising deluxe packages, and then figuring out how much he can charge for it? Well, obviously, to most of you, he does. Which takes us back the first statement of this paragraph.

3. This package (just like EVERY package this place covers) was, I can assure you, METICULOUSLY researched by whoever it is (aside from Roger) that’s actually going to make money on this. They know how many they’re going to sell, they know how many they’re going to manufacture, and they’ve already got plans for how they’re going to spend that money. I’m sure they’ll be absolutely GUTTED that none of you fine folks blabbering on here are going to be purchasing it. That is, if they didn’t already have all of the above mentioned parameters well worked out and locked down.

4. And finally, to everybody that thinks this is such an outrageous travesty – fear not. They’re also watching other artists, and planning similar packages, at price points you WILL fork (or bend) over for. So the fact that you’re not the millennial or post-boomer robot with money to burn on this one is neither here nor there. This is for them, not you. You’ll soon get your turn on another fine piece of product that your bank account can tolerate. So here’s a napkin – take care of that spittle on your chin, there. It really doesn’t become any of you.

Kenneth

It’s amazing how far up his own ass Roger’s head seems to be. First he releases a hybrid documentary/concert rather than standalone concert…and now this. If this was the 1980 show signed by David, Rick, Nick, and Roger then I would consider shelling out that kind of money for this.
For those saying “simple, don’t buy it”, that’s not the point. He goes WAY out of his way to despise the capitalism that has made him rich beyond anybody’s wildest dreams. I’ve never understood the Liberal/Socialist “artist” types.

Gisabun

What do you expect from a hard socialist.
Still waiting for a Pink Floyd surround sound mix. Not his interpretation of a masterpiece.

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BE

The Gall!

peter chrisp

I agree with the comments if you don’t want to by it at the inflated price, i totally agree with the above thoughts as they say you don’t have to by it, so true on that front and by the looks of it no one will! Some of the comments are hilarious, as the above thoughts if you think it’s worth it
don’t purchase it easy so true, but one great thing you can still give your opinion like 86 other comments and as you say there is no harm in that is there? Didn’t think so.

GR Hodkins

I own “the Wall” in 5 variations:

1) the studio album
2) the Berlin version
3) the Floyd live version
4) the Immersion box
5) the Wall motion picture

Honestly what I wanted was a 5.1 High Res Blue Ray version of the studio album.

Better yet a 5.1 surround sound edition of Animals.

I loved the new concert but as Nick himself pointed out, the latest concert is pretty faithful to the studio album.

So … go to it Mister Waters … give us another remake. F$&k it to death.

You are going to need the cash when your latest divorce settlement goes through.

GR

harpep

Hey guys, if you don’t think it is worth it, don’t purchase it. Wow, that was easy. – Peace.

Straker

Exactly! I mean, why discuss anything, ever??????

Steven Mclaren

I think this has come down in price it was £19.99 I think now £14.99!

http://amzn.to/1GvDgjU

Julian H

“It will ship in January.”

But to whom?

Herr Mutzel

Hi, Limited? 500? Who knows? greetings h. mutzel

Paul Trotman

Completely agree. Someone somewhere has completely misread the market and is I suspect aiming for the same market as the Genesis Publications books. Sadly he has missed. I might have paid as much as one of the immersion box sets for this as I’m a big fan and saw the show but $500? No chance.

Ed

Maybe he needs the money to fund his BDS campaign?

peter chrisp

Is that all he’s charging, is there a chance i can spit on the price, or i guess
that’s going a little overboard i do apologize for my over the top comment
i really should have been a little more circumspect, slightly over inflated
price you would have to say? Could that actually be like his ego? I must admit The Wall was a fave album of mine & I am with you Phil no marbles
included! Now as the release date will be getting closer by the day, the chances of a “bargain” price? Or Zeppelin suggested “The Song Remains
The Same” um i just might give that a miss!

John Phillips

Each man has a price Rog
And yours is pretty high

David

Still cheaper than a VIP package to one of the shows (probably)!

Zongadude

Sorry Mr Waters, I cannot resign myself to:

-Buy the 500$ 3 Bluray edition box. It’s too expensive. Who do you think I am ?

-Buy the stand-alone Bluray version, because it has only 2 Blurays so some audiovisual material is missing. Why should the richer man get the whole cake while the poorer has to feast on the crumbs ? Doesn’t the latter deserve to enjoy the complete experience too or do you consider the poor to be a lesser fan because his bank account isn’t big enough ? I won’t buy an incomplete product, knowing that a more complete edition is available (even though it’s out of reach). Who do you think I am ?

I am therefore obliged to NOT buy any version of your new release because the version I want does not exist (i.e. just the 3 blurays with the full audiovisual experience). I really wanted to tho, …… but this is your call. I suggest you add two letters to the name of your show from now on to a more accurate:

ROGER WATERS
THE
WALLET

Graham Piazza

I am Amused to Death!!

Richard

A further thing on this. The actual content doesn’t ship until 2016. So you pay an over the top price for the supposed super version, but if you want the content when everyone else gets it you have to then go and buy the standard version

Wrong on so many levels

Adam

I don’t know if it’s fair to call Mr. Waters hypocritical. It’s been pretty obvious over the years that he’s not above charging a premium for much of his material. Many artists cop an anti-consumerist stance while selling high-priced music and concert tickets, and I think it’s mostly fair as an artistic statement.

I think it is also fair to say that this isn’t even remotely Mr. Waters’ best material that he’s trying to exploit here. You could buy all three Immersion boxes, plus whatever the cost of the eventual 5.1 PF “The Wall” comes out to be, plus one of the pricier formats of Amused To Death, and you’d still have nearly $100 left over. And you’d have FAR higher-quality material than this.

nsfw

Eric, I don’t think many people would care if the Rolling Stones or KISS were making a $900 box set with stickers placed on the box by Gene or Mick themselves. Everyone knows those bands are in it for the money.
The issue people have is Roger’s holier than thou stance on consumerism and the subject of the product itself. It’s well documented that Roger felt disconnected from the fans when he wrote The Wall. It’s just a bit comical to come out with a $500 box.

Michael Leek

May be worth it….
Is there a version of the gig where Waters doesn’t provide narcissistic drivel between songs – I’d pay for that.
Can the team that edited Jar Jar out of Star Wars do the for the Wall?

Nick

Reminds me of his overpriced signature model Fender P Bass. Paying extra for Rog’s name alone. Besides the only way it would truly be a Waters Signature model is if it handed itself over to your band’s more talented guitarist to play the hard parts for you.

James Pigg

This is a box set that goes all the way up to 11…..

Stan Culler

You know, the handful of music executives that are still managing to hang onto their jobs just cannot help themselves. I have no doubt that the people who made this pricing decision (because, no matter how egomaniacal Mr. Waters may be, someone at the top still had to sign off on this pillage job) are part of the same braintrust who decided, back in late 90’s, that the list price for a new compact disc could justifiably be raised to just over $20. I managed a small compact disc-only shop from 1988 to 2003 and, let me tell you, when times were good, I was routinely reading interviews in Billboard with record executives who would breathlessly spout how the industry was cheapening their product by selling it too CHEAPLY. Is it any wonder that the moment the general population (I’m not including us, of course!) found themselves presented with Napster that they leapt on the chance to steal?

But, has the wheezing remains of the industry learned? Absolutely not.

Here we are in the tail-end of 2015 and the few executive/weasels left standing are STILL doing their best to fleece those of us who still truly care about physical product out of every last cent that we have to spend. What I’m feeling is not so much abuse as it is a total bewilderment at how they fail to recognize how self-defeating their behavior is.

Si

I mean if it had have been signed by the man himself, may have given it a little bit of thought, but still … Eye watering price for a ‘deluxe’ edition with minimal content … My shelf and wallet says ‘No’.

Jim

Are people outraged? Most people find it hilarious do they not?

kauwgompie

Wha-haha….
There are no words.

Herr Angela Merkel

Remember Roger’s dedication in the RADIO K.A.O.S.-booklet? “This record is dedicated to all those who find themselves at the violent end of monetarism”. Way to go, Roger!

Simon Long

I thought of that quote too – Roger clearly has no problem with monetarism if it ends up in his wallet…

Nev

Well you have choice. Buy it or don’t. But one thing for sure is just shut up about it. I own an Audi TT but how I would love an Audi R8. After all they are both cars with 4 wheels but one is slightly more special. I think you know where I’m going with this.

DaveM

Surely this is a test, to see just how far the buyers of physical product can be pushed!

Gisabun

Waters is milking his PF past because his solo career went nowhere.

Nev

What a load of tosh, he was and still is the member who made them what they were