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Simple Minds / Street Fighting Years four-CD super deluxe edition

Simple Minds / Street Fighting Years 4CD box set

Universal Music will reissue Simple Minds‘ 1989 album Street Fighting Years in March across various formats, including a four-CD super deluxe edition box set.

Produced by Trevor Horn and Stephen Lipson (fresh from their work on Paul McCartney’s Flowers in the Dirt) the record ended up sounding very different from the previous album (1985’s Once Upon A Time).

The band were initially expecting the producing duo to deliver what Charlie Burchill describes as  “their thing” (meaning synths, sequencers etc.) but Horn and Lipson didn’t think that was the right approach, with Trevor saying (in the excellent Daryl Easlea sleeve note interviews) that “I don’t think the Frankie thing would have suited them. I wouldn’t impose something on someone”. Jim Kerr says “We thought Trevor and Steve would be the answer to everything. We thought we’d hitch our wagon to them. It turned out that they likewise thought they had taken their whole thing to a max and thought it would be great to work with a band who could just knock it out.”

They ended up exploring atmospheric soundscapes and incorporating slide guitars, accordions and in general exuding a more celtic/folk rock vibe (the album was recorded in the Highlands of Scotland). Street Fighting Years delivered the band’s first and only UK number one single ‘Belfast Child’ (which was the lead track on the ‘Ballad of the Streets EP). Three further singles were all top 20 UK hits.

The four-CD box is packaged like the previous Simple Minds super deluxe sets and comes with a hardcover book with photos and interviews with the band and Trevor Horn and a Simple Minds poster. It offers a remastered version of the original album on the first disc (by Andrew Walter), a selection of 15 edits, B-sides and remixes on disc two and then two CDs featuring a previously unissued live concert from L’Arena in Verona, Italy (recorded on 15 September 1989). Sadly, there are no demos and or a surround sound mix of the album as part of this offering.

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There’s also a two-CD deluxe with the first two discs from the box and a 2LP vinyl edition (the original was a single LP) which is notable for including When Spirits Rise, which was a CD and cassette bonus track back in the day.

Street Fighting Years will be released on 6 March 2020 via Universal Music.

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Street Fighting Years – 4CD box set

CD 1 – Street Fighting Years remastered

  1. Street Fighting Years
  2. Soul Crying Out
  3. Wall Of Love
  4. This Is Your Land
  5. Take A Step Back
  6. Kick It In
  7. Let It All Come Down
  8. Mandela Day
  9. Belfast Child
  10. Biko
  11. When Spirits Rise

CD 2 – Edits, B-Sides and Remixes

  1. Belfast Child (edit)
  2. Mandela Day (edit)
  3. This Is Your Land (edit)
  4. Saturday Girl
  5. Year Of The Dragon
  6. This Is Your Land (DJ Version)
  7. Kick It In (edit)
  8. Waterfront (’89 remix)
  9. Big Sleep (live)
  10. Kick It In (Unauthorised Mix)
  11. Sign O’ The Times (edit)
  12. Let It All Come Down (edit)
  13. Sign O’ The Times
  14. Jerusalem
  15. Sign O’ The Times (C.J. Mackintosh Remix)

CD 3 – Verona part 1

  1. Theme For Great Cities ’90
  2. When Spirits Rise
  3. Street Fighting Years (live)
  4. Mandela Day (live)
  5. This Is Your Land (live)
  6. Soul Crying Out (live)
  7. Waterfront (live)
  8. Ghost Dancing (live)
  9. Book Of Brilliant Things (live)
  10. Don’t You (Forget About Me) (live)

CD 4 – Verona part 2

  1. Gaelic Melody (live)
  2. Kick It In (live)
  3. Let It All Come Down (live)
  4. Belfast Child (live)
  5. Sun City (live)
  6. Biko (live)
  7. Sanctify Yourself (live)
  8. East At Easter (live)
  9. Alive And Kicking (live)

Simple Minds / Street Fighting Years 2LP vinyl reissue

Street Fighting Years – 2LP vinyl

SIDE ONE

1.  Street Fighting Years
2.  Soul Crying Out
3.  Wall of Love

SIDE TWO

1.  This Is Your Land
2.  Take A Step Back
3.  Kick It In

SIDE THREE

1.  Let It All Come Down
2.  Mandela Day
3.  Belfast Child

SIDE FOUR

1.  Biko
2.  When Spirits Rise

Simple Minds / Street Fighting Years

Street Fighting Years – 2CD deluxe

CD 1 – Street Fighting Years remastered

  1. Street Fighting Years
  2. Soul Crying Out
  3. Wall Of Love
  4. This Is Your Land
  5. Take A Step Back
  6. Kick It In
  7. Let It All Come Down
  8. Mandela Day
  9. Belfast Child
  10. Biko
  11. When Spirits Rise

CD 2 – Edits, B-Sides and Remixes

  1. Belfast Child (edit)
  2. Mandela Day (edit)
  3. This Is Your Land (edit)
  4. Saturday Girl
  5. Year Of The Dragon
  6. This Is Your Land (DJ Version)
  7. Kick It In (edit)
  8. Waterfront (’89 remix)
  9. Big Sleep (live)
  10. Kick It In (Unauthorised Mix)
  11. Sign O’ The Times (edit)
  12. Let It All Come Down (edit)
  13. Sign O’ The Times
  14. Jerusalem
  15. Sign O’ The Times (C.J. Mackintosh Remix)

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mike

Picked up the 2CD for 4.99 in HMV, quite enjoying it at that price! Sure I havent heard some of those edits before.

Michael Kraxenberger

I have been holding back with this box set for the longest, especially after reading the comments and the disappointments in regards to this set. Since I own all the other box sets, I finally was like “OK, lets get this for the collection.” The box arrived today and it looks fantastic. In my opinion, the record companies could add a little more protection to those flimsy card board sleeves – but that’s just me. I played the first CD with the actual album and I was WOW!!! Is this the same album I’ve listened too when it came out? I was 16/17 back then, but still have the original CD. I always loved this album and it has always been somewhat of a constant to me that I play at least once a year. The remaster sounds spectacular and I’ve noticed a lot of things that I haven’t heard before – almost like listening to the album for first time. Of course, this is only my personal opinion, but I would recommend to not to sleep on this release and let it go out of print. As far as the B-Sides and Remixes go: I think its pretty much the same as it was on the Themes Series and especially for this album, there weren’t a lot of Remixes around, so this is all there was. Am looking forward listening to the next CD’s from this set. As always, thank You Paul for your fantastic coverage. I can not even remember how many years it has been that your site is usually the first thing I check every morning (unless FC Bayern plays :)

John Thomson

I said I took the explanation of the 4 missing tracks at face value and I do. It is also a possibility, however that as AM had more than a bit part on OUAT, they were just unlistenable. Either that or JK’s flubbed vocals. Doesn’t really matter. I actually quite like the “warts and all” side of of it. The Barrowlands gig on SITR was the same – if not even rawer. I don’t even mind the flub sustain on Charlie’s guitar on Easter.

I’ve said elsewhere that I welcome their response – most of it makes sense. I just don’t buy into the view that UMG are blameless in this as the mistakes were entirely avoidable.

I went to 4 UK gigs in 1989 and being in my mid-teens and obsessed, they were jaw-dropping. In reality, the set list was pretty unimaginative and some of the songs were too long and ploddy, but we have a pretty good, if not flawed snapshot now.

I would really welcome downloads of the encore, and then just draw a line under it and look forward to the postponed tour.

John Thomson

Paul,

A message from Universal regarding the recent Street Fighting Years boxset to address questions that have been raised here and on other forums.

Street Fighting Years: Remastering
This reissue was mastered by Simon Gibson at Abbey Road Studios in November 2018. So, unfortunately, the press release mentioning Andrew Walters was incorrect.
The raw transfers from the master tapes included several defects which required fixing. For example, there was tape judder and volume drop-outs on two of the tracks, which were fixed by Simon Gibson. These problems were not on the 2002 remasters, being artefacts on the 1989 masters. Therefore this release is actually a remastering of the original master tapes. (This is the case with all the previous Simple Minds Super Deluxe editions – the original masters are always used when available).
There’s been fan feedback where they’ve said they’ve heard new musical elements on the album thanks to the new remastering.

Verona: The distortion problems with the last 4 tracks
The first stereo mix-down of the Verona concert was used for this project.
This material was listened to many times over – and pops, clicks, distortion etc. were removed – but the issues reported, especially timing issues with the last four tracks, were not noticed.
The intention is always to transfer the stereo mixes of concerts direct to CD with minimal intervention i.e. no edits, no remixing etc. What is on the CDs is on the original tapes.
Again, we’ve received fan feedback where the live CDs has been praised, and they’re happy with the material.

Verona : The Missing Four Tracks
The tapes used were the most complete stereo mix of the concert available in the archive. This was the first step towards the production of the Verona video back in 1990. The “missing” four tracks were the first to be left out of this process – it wasn’t a decision made when we were compiling the box-set, but one by the band, producer and/or management at the time.
The press releases were clear that this was “most of the previously unissued Verona show from 1989.” It wasn’t advertised as the complete show.”

My response on Hoffman

The 4 missing tracks story is an interesting yet novel one, and impossible to disprove.

I’ve taken it at face value.

Not noticing the tape wobble?

Funny thing to admit to, given their multiple listens. Less funny that we’re stuck with it, and no fixed downloads coming by the look of it.

They can always change their mind of course.

Picking over the bones of record company screw ups is normally a rather interesting way of spending my time. Can be quite entertaining. I’m being flippant of course.

At the moment, not so much…

That’s pretty much it with this one, I think.

I’ve said several times that I love the mastering on Disks 1 and 2.

Verona I can live with. Just about.

Typos and incorrect credits? I’d be more annoyed/irritable if I was Gibson or Crouch.

As a paying punter?

I’ve come to terms with it.

Doesn’t rule out forever a future visual remastered Verona release I suppose.

The upcoming INXS one from around the same time is great I understand.

The demos will never see the light of day though.

Pat

The fact that there is an excellent audio source of the Verona gig available makes the wonky tape debacle of the encore just unacceptable…Honestly, who gets paid at Universal to oversee these projects ? They made blunders in the SITR and OUAT boxes too , but this one takes the biscuit.. feel like an idiot after spending €60 on what was a less than impressive package to begin with.

James K

What a deception!
Mispelled words in the book, old master on the 1st CD (and not a brand new one as advertised), uncomplete Verona concert and unlistenable tracks (pitched wonky notes as an old tape).

DON’T BUY THIS BOX!!!!!!!

James K

“Why do you think it’s the ‘old master’ ? (Paul Sinclair)

1) Because it is written in the booklet : “disc 1 remastered at super audio mastering by simon heyworth” (that is the description of the 2002 remaster), despite the sticker on the box that claimed “4-cds newly re-mastered”

2) Because you wrote on this page : “remastered version of the original album on the first disc (by Andrew Walter)”… and the booklet says that the remaster was made by Simon Heyworth.
Only the discs 3 and 4 (Verona concert) are credited as remastered by Andrew Walter. And it it’s really shit, with a variable tape speed which makes the last songs totally unplayable.

3) Because it is written on the streamed Super Deluxe edition on Spotify, Deezer and Qobuz : “Remastered 2002”

John Thomson

Nonsense.

I initially thought it was a tweaked ’02 and believed the booklet and not the sticker.

However, on closer analysis the master is quieter with a bass boost and rolled of top end.

When Spirits Rise is actually louder with a DR10 instead of DR11.

It has been noted that there is “dither” in parts of Soul Crying Out.

For the avoidance of doubt, this is definitely a new master.

It is a shame that UMG tasked Walter/Gibson with remastering SFY, yet they have not been credited for it on the product itself.

The new master and Disc 2 are actually really good.

Julian Carver

has the thread for this deluxe set been deleted from Hoffman forum?
I can’t find it at all.

Pat

Deleted for me too …someone at Universal has a bit of influence, methinks !!

Renaud

Same for me.
it seems that Universal prefers to censor rather than repair its mistakes …

Julian Carver

looks like I may have been blocked from the hoffman forum for stating the facts.
my posts are not being seen over there.

Now universal has issued an official statement which basically reads as ” Tough luck folks nothing will be done”
Wow im disappointing and heartbroken its last time I buy any of these products from universal again.
Stay safe people God Bless everyone !!

Paul English

Mine just arrived

Negatives
Playing the last four Verona tracks now. Not a great experience.
The slightly smaller dimensions
By the looks of it, the missing four live tracks would have fitted across the two discs?

Positives
The disc of single edits & remixes which is surely worth the asking price alone
Nice poster
Decent book – plus I have added in the SDE interview booklet with Jim Kerr and Stephen Lipson (a great read)

It beggars belief that no one played back the check discs.

Julian Carver

wow this sucks… It turns out they have used a faulty soundboard tape for Verona audio not the original multitrack recordings.
so really that makes it an official bootleg. not a superdeluxe product.
4 tracks missing, 4 tracks totally screwed up.
So Verona concert is missing 8 tracks in total, this has to be the worst box set ever compiled.

Julian Carver

Universal has made a huge error on this box set The Verona concert last 4 tracks on disc 2 are unlistenable due to Wonky tape problems.

Renaud Ziegler

The last 4 tracks are totally unlistenable. Lot of wow and flutter like an old tape.
And I paid £110 for that piece of s… ? This is theft.

Geoff G

I agree. Biko definitely has a tape stretch, and Alive and Kicking just sounds wrong! It was fine up till Biko…

I hope they reissue a corrected fourth disc. This Super Deluxe wasn’t the most impressive to begin with, and the issues on fourth disc just makes it worse.

Julian Carver

yes I agree East at easter sounds dire also.
surly they can at least give us the downloads of the 4 tracks already missing. which would have pitched correctly. It seems what’s happened though they have used a soundboard tape that’s damaged. Now that is shocking because the original verona was a multitrack high quality recording back in the day. not some cheap bootleg.

Julian Carver

Is it my imagination or is the pitch totally off on these new Verona box set recordings? listen to East at easter and Alive and kicking. then compare to the original b side versions.. this new live album sounds like the recording is off pitch. sounds out of tune.

Steve H

Box received and book credits clearly state “disc 1 remastered at super audio mastering by simon heyworth”. Paul you’ve received a different copy from me.

Steve H

Thanks Paul, that explains it!

Julian Carver

These new Verona live tracks sound off pitch to me out of tune pitching flat
.listen to East at easter and Alive and kicking then compare to the original live b sides versions from verona. bad mastering in 2020? all I’m hearing is out of tune piano.

Renaud Ziegler

The advertisement announced a new master, and it is the old one from 2002.
The verona concert is missing 4 tracks, and the last 4 tracks are totally unlistenable.

Thank you SuperDeluxe, I lost my money. I hope you’ll propose replacement discs soon.

Chris

Any idea why there is no hi resolution version of this release available for download – Simple Minds have generally been very good in providing hi-res versions of releases.

My one thought is that this was originally digitally recorded using early digital recording technology, which was generally limited to 16 bits, making hi res not really applicable…….

Ross Baker

Amazon have just updated my delivery date to ‘8 April – 19 May’. It was already running four days late with its initial arrival date of today. Similarly, both of my Tears for Fears boxes – ordered separately – are now due to arrive a week late. This is with a Prime account, too. How can the world’s biggest entertainment retailer be so crap at getting stuff out? At one point a pre-order on Prime would guarantee the item on release day.

Ross Baker

Ah yeah, I’m aware of the issue with The Hurting, but given that copies of Street Fighting Years are already out there and I ordered mine a few weeks ago, I can’t believe it’ll take until April or May for them to get my copy out. Also I thought the Big Chair box was still going to be shipping on time, but that’s running a week late on Amazon too (I made two separate orders).
I had several orders arrive a few days later than release day last year too, so it seems to be a long-running issue for me.

Steven_Wilsons_Prog_Cat

Amazon are becoming atrocious now they have dominated the market, i’m in the same boat as you regarding my street fighting years box set, i complained my ass off about it though, I’ve also got a Leonard Cohen order that i placed in January that they can’t give me a delivery date for, i actually got a £20 promotional credit from them due to the amount of f*** ups they’ve made to my orders lately, and i have 6 pre-orders sitting in my account all paid for and waiting for release, i doubt they will arrive as promised though.

Mark

I have the same delivery date from Amazon (April/May). I then ordered it from Townsend Music, who said after placing the order that they have no stock and no idea when stock would arrive so have cancelled Townsend and back to waiting on Amazon. Any ideas how likely it is that amazon will fulfill these orders?

Ross Baker

Given some of the comments above about errors with the live discs, I wonder whether this is a matter of them making replacement discs. Utterly baffling. I, too, went with Townsend, but have the same error, so am going back to Amazon who at least will only take money when the box actually arrives. What a ludicrous situation! Hopefully we get an announcement soon…

Oliver T

Just wait until the fan community one day hears ‘People Stand Up Again’. There’ll be no more discussion about demos being an irrelevant inclusion on a box set. Just as ‘In Every Heaven’ was like a lost child reunited with it’s parent album, so is PSUA to SFY

Michael

The set is finally showing on Amazon US and starting at a whopping 82 dollars for the 4 cd set. 29.99 for the 2 cd.
I will hold out. I would like the 4cd. It will come down, I guess. I lucked out and got the NGD box for about 35 dollars new… which is a great box. This one has much less. But if it goes to 35, I will get it for sure.

Kyle

So this is out and does not appear to be newly remastered at all. It’s the 2002 remaster by Simon Hayworth. All the promotional material mention a new remaster by Andy Walter at Abbey Road. Am I missing something?

Kyle

Somebody in another forum posted that CD1 in the super deluxe box is credited to Simon Heyworth, who did the 2002 remaster. They may be talking out of their hat. I haven’t seen the credits myself so can’t verify. I did seek out this information specifically though, as all services streaming the super deluxe have the album as the 2002 remaster.

Was intending to buy the vinyl but may wait until more people have there hands on this.

Kyle

Thanks for that information Paul. That’s all the verification I need.

RobS

Just received the 2LP vinyl and it states on inner sleeve that it was remastered by Simon Heyworth at Super Audio Mastering. Can’t see any other indication of mastering e.g. nothing in dead wax etc

Gregory

Qobuz has a preorder for the full digital release with the content of all 4 CDs and guess what ? Tracks from the main album / first CD are currently displayed as “2002 remastered”. Really hope this is a typo. I can’t image the new digital edition or the box set having the 2002 remaster on it instead of a brand new one. And no hi-res version to be seen as preorder at Qobuz. Have you seen one anywhere ?

clive johnson

A total balls-up…

Here’s what we have – all for the princely sum of £43;

CD1; The album (remastered)
CD2: B sides (including 3x Sign o’ The Times and 2x This Is your Land)
CD’s 3+4 An incomplete Verona gig (4 songs missing)

Oh, and a book and poster.
Its remaster so, big deal! Its still SFY. Its still the same album! Why remaster the thing?

NO 5;1 either

Whoever put this together has the imagination of a wet flannel!

Gabriel Souto

Agree and agree and agree. What it would take to have a COMPLETE 1989 gig officially released???

Jens G

The band and universal could address discontent, boost media interest and sales by unveiling a ‘Simple Minds Revolution’ website (in the spirit of ‘Street Fighting Years’), modeled after Radiohead’s Public Library but smaller. Make a great selection of demos, missing live tracks and video clips available for free and create some buzz in early March.

Mathew Lauren

Lots of interesting comments below. My $.02: SDE and Paul have “turned me on” to many bands & REs I’d have passed-on, otherwise, but DID NOT (simply) b/c there was a (decent) 5.1 mix attached to the release/RE. Seems a waste IMHO, that SM decided to pass on the inclusion of a 5.1 mix here.

Based on many comments below, a belated (stand-alone) 5.1. Blu-ray Disc of “SFY” would probably be a hit!

Renato

Hello, Paul!
Unrelated, but are there any chances of The Verve’s Forth and The Cranberries No Need to Argue ever being released as SDEs? I’ve got the first three Verve albums and the first Cranberries one, but haven’t heard or read anything about Forth or No Need to Argue.
Thanks for your work, the blog is an invaluable source of information!

Gerry Hassan

Nobody who has been a serious Simple Minds fan can think that Street Fighting Years is the best this band produced.

This album IMHO is the final end of them as a contemporary rock band – a descent evident from the mid-1980s and the bloated, pompous, stadium rock of ‘Once Upon a Time’.

And as for what is/was the best Simple Minds album: that is a fierce competition between several highs in their early years. But if you think it SFY you really dont understand the first thing abt this band, their rise, fall and re-emergence.

Robert Muenster

Pretty arrogant to explain to people what a real Simple Minds fan is and what isn’t … I respect your personal opinion – but you should also accept that other people disagree with you.

Jon C

If there was a standalone BluRay audio release for this album (perhaps with the videos added) I’d be first in the queue.

But, as is. the most I can justify is the 2CD, as there’s just not enough value in the box set for the significant (proportionately) extra outlay

Mark W

While not perfect with regard to the “fifth disc”, it allows fans to have all the released content in a remastered format with updated liner notes in one box. I have been a SM fan for 35+ years and own hundreds of their releases across nearly every format. Stop complaining and appreciate physical releases while they still exist!

Collier de la reine

@ Mark W. You’ve missed the point on content & price. Your first sentence matches the 2CD set, for £14 : Remastered released content & new liner notes in one box at a reasonable price. That does not apply to the 2 live discs of incomplete concert audio, in the bigger space-wasting box, for an extra £43.

djcm

I propose to do something before this ship sinks. We fans (also consumers) can make our voices heard and try to put this right.

Why not a campaign aimed at Universal to release a 5th cd containing some of the famous SFY demos and the 4 missing Verona tracks.

The additional cd could be slipped in the boxes without UMG having to remanufacture them. Just a sticker on the cover is needed to indicate
it’s included in the set (for instance, it has been done some years ago with the initial pressing of the New Order « retro » box set).

Here is what this « bonus » cd could include (all this material exist in the vaults and is well documented on the Dream Giver site) :

CD#5 SFY « Live & rare » from the Virgin archive

1) People stand up again (vocal) – Monitor Mix #2 (6:11)
2) Sometimes when it rains (instrumental) – Monitor Mix #1 (6:25)
3) Dusseldorf beat (instrumental) – Monitor Mix #1 (6:47)
4) Power in the darkness (vocal )- Monitor Mix #3 (5:42)
5) Belfast Child 12″ version (vocal) – (6:55)
6) This is your land (vocal) – Rough #3 (4:53)
7) Room (instrumental reworking) – Monitor Mix #1 (7:05)
8) Street Fighting Years (instrumental) – Monitor Mix #3 (6:31)

9) Wall of Love (live in Verona) 6’36
10) Once upon a time (live in Verona) 5’53
11) Oh Jungleland (live in Verona) 5’44
12) Big sleep (live in Verona) 7’05

Total cd length 75’47

Who want to help to start a petition ?

Julian Carver

This extra disc idea with demos and Verona’s 4 missing live tracks, should be a lossless download then…if it’s to late for an extra cd to be slipped into the box.

The disappointment of this box is unbelievable and shocking.

Neil

Didn’t Universal issue both disc and booklet replacements for the faults found within the initial SITR SDE ? If it’s too late for inclusion in March, why can’t they supply the fans with the fifth disc at a later date,with the proviso that we can provide proof of purchase? It worked last time,why not now ?

David

They rarely release demos and having listened to the silver box stuff and every heaven from the NGD box I can understand why!
Life in Oils and the early demo of Every Heaven were OK but the rest are rubbish.
It makes the final album for a reason.

With this SFY box it’s disappointing for many reasons highlighted on here and elsewhere. I won’t be buying it. Others will. End of.

Danny Payne

Is the Verona concert the full tracks ? as opposed to the audio on the Verona video VHS that came out that was a mish mash of some edited and cut live track and interviews ?

Robert Muenster

What a missed opportunity! No 5.1 mix, no BD/DVD, (almost) no previously unreleased material, not a single (existing!) unissued song from the SFY recording sessions … I was so looking forward to this box, but this is really a bitter disappointment. This release is not for fans – it’s purely about making money!

Collier de la reine

I’ve been a fan for 38 years. My expectations being, the contents of this album box set, for what i consider is the band’s greatest work, would for the higher price, naturally mirror the offerings in the previous album box sets plus more.

Instead, along with the gut renching disappointment, I feel slapped in the face that I’m expected to pay £40 for 2 extra discs above the price of the £14 2CD edition, whilst this stratospheric price shockingly offers *NO* Blu-ray /DVD of the singles video & TV performance clips, Verona concert, 5.1 surround sound mix or demos/ outtakes / early versions.

Come on Universal and the band, WHY treat the fans this way ??

I will NOT be spending my hard earned cash on this painful insult.

Denniz

Ill give this a pass as well.
There’s a wealth of outtakes and demos from the period – and some in excellent quality. Demos/jams such as Power In The Darkness, Sometimes When It Rains, Dusseldorf Beat and proper songs like People Stand Up Again (actually heard that one) couldve been included after some additonal mastering perhaps. Besides including officially released songs in various stages of completion.
Curious as to what kind of reasons Kerr and Burchill had, if they were the ones who opted out…

Such a colossal shame, such a hugely missed opportunity.

patjoller

People always seem to complain. If they did put a DVD with Verona on it they would say “it’s a rip off, the DVD is on the seen the lights boxset”. It’s a fact that they are reluctant to release songs in demo forms, an all previous deluxe releases there are none (except one on NGD). I think this box is way more interesting than the once upon a time box. That one was a real let down. 1) the live show is an album we all know and already have 2) the bonuses are only remixes of the same tracks. So even if there’s a 5.1 mix, that box is a shame. Can’t wait to hear the verona show and read all the interesting facts about this album.

Denniz

Agree, the OUAT box was a huge let down, mostly by not including unissued live material – and retreading LITCOL once again. Uninspired. It’s a known fact there’s not much in terms of outtakes and (surviving) demos from OUAT, but that’s far from the case here. There’s a well documented and archived vault for SFY demos on digital media. Even if J&C didn’t want to issue demos, there’s still plenty of recorded gigs and video material to choose from. The Verona gig isn’t even complete. And then there’s the lack of video material, documentaries and surround mix… Simply put, not enough value for money.

Chris

I was looking forward to this one, but the cost of the 4CD edition without the surround sound mix which we were treated to on their previous box sets, is too pricey for me. I guess that sometimes in life we don’t always get exactly what we want. I enjoy buying and collecting “physical product” releases, especially deluxe CD box sets from my favourite bands. However this time my money shall remain in the account for something else instead.

Michael Ward

Pass on this one sadly. Now my hopes turn to a Sister Feelings Call / Sons and Fascination SE. Any chance the Minds go backwards in their catalogue (and the glory years) rather than forward into the lean years?

Tim South

Luv this album. It will sell because it is better than anything else out there right now. £56.99 , £36.99 it’s the content that matters . If you don’t have the content remastered , don’t have the show on CD ; it’s an excellent purchase. Don’t like it , don’t want it – no sale. Easy

Neil

Tim,you are fully entitled to your opinion, I respect that,but you said it yourself, “it’s the content that matters”. What content ? To many long term Simple Minds fans,like myself, this album holds a very special place in their hearts and to see it treated in this sloppy, haphazard way is a very bitter pill to swallow indeed. We all know that there is so much more that could have been added to this release (in fact, we were expecting it !) and if the band or Universal could not deliver it,for whatever reason, they need to be completely up front about it. Otherwise, it will come across as either total incompetence or worse, utter contempt. This,for me,was going to be the musical highlight of the year. To say I’m disappointed is a massive understatement.

jason richards

57 Quid? I’m trying not to swear but that’s taking the urine, I’ll see how much the postage is from the States to the UK.

Michael Kelly

Was 43.00 the other day on Amazon. Will come back down

Quante

The reaction within the comments is interesting as it gives direct feedback to Universal who have managed to upset the majority of SDE Simple Mind fans who’d like to purchase this release. They may be surprised at the reaction, but at least they now know.

There is a background story to the product release that Paul has intimated was not easy, and has resulted in a package that potential purchasers of box sets are now unhappy with. I’d assume Paul isn’t in a position to tell all as it’s not his position to do so.

Universal should now do what all good companies should do and communicate what the issues are. It gives them the opportunity to explain why 5.1 surround etc. isn’t included. It doesn’t improve the product, but it provides transparency which leads to understanding.

Even better, is if that following the poor consumer reaction, Universal work to Improve the content, and then come back with an amended box set. Nothing is impossible, but it can be if the parties involved want it to be.

Being a good company and repairing damage to a product / customer issue is hard. It is easier acting like a poor company, however unintentionally that may be, and letting a negative situation carry on. At least it costs zero to do nothing. The upside for the smart company reacting cleverly and making improvements, is the enhancement to reputation and increased sales. No one ever sold less by giving their customer what they wanted. Everyone in a commercial environment knows what the right thing to do in theory is. When it comes to looking at the costs to make changes, many organisations get it wrong and walk away from what they know is the better path to take.

I read the Universal press release for the Street Fighting Years reissue and it is well written and informative, just as it should be. Universal now need to to up their game and communicate some more with their consumers. That at least costs nothing, and can only be positive for Universal and its customers.

OV73

Thank you – this is a well expressed post.

I have read hundreds posts of very disappointed fans on this site, the official FB page, and others. I have never seen a reaction like this. Clearly, there is something about this release that had struck a raw nerve. For myself at least, SFY represents a high point of the band in terms of atmosphere and musicianship. Also, it was the last album with Michael MacNeil. It holds a very dear place in my heart as a fan of over 3 decades.

A 5.1 mix would have been truly glorious and I would also have loved to hear the entire Verona concert. As for the demos, that would have been a real gift but I understand that bands might be reluctant to do this.

I think what is most disappointing is the lack of transparency. Openness in communication is considered an objective good in modern society. It is thus surprising that an SDE of SFY is being released that is quite different from the previous 3 and without explanation as to why there is this difference.

I do hope that Universal is reading these comments. For the first time in 32 years I am actively considering not buying a Simple Minds’ release.

Street Fighting Tears

Jumped to 56.99 on Amazon UK today!

Eric

It’s never worth that! I go on the basis of a tenner a disc so if they’re gonna up the price to that, with all that’s missing they can rotate!

Stevo

Definitely the starting point should have been the Mandela Day demo, played on BBC Radio 1 two days before the Wembley show, still no digital release of this.

As pointed out, various shows I attended on that tour were also recorded, Bercy for one. I did attend all the Italian, French and UK shows, and saw plenty of filming. There’s plenty of TV coverage that could have been included, but I’m sure copyright issues may have stopped this happening and the fact possibly there’s no actual master copies at the relevant TV companies themselves.

Surprised omission though was that they didn’t put the Radio Documentary on this set from deluxe box sets of the time. Virgin had the permission to release them then. Also the Theme For Great Cities intro music for that tour was unique and could have been included.

The vinyl could have included the non-album single b-sides, at no expense to the vinyl quality. ‘Year of The Dragon’ and ‘Saturday Girl’, the latter as someone in this thread already states was good enough to be on the album itself. I remember talking to Jim about that backstage after the Modena show, though he was still buzzing more about the result of the Scottish Cup Final that evening, which we all listened to on a small radio during the soundchecks in the afternoon.

For me it’s a missed opportunity, but as a collector, with all of my grumblings, I know I’ll still will buy this set (at some point), it’s an addiction which some record companies rely on us collectors doing without thinking at times.

Wayne C

I’m guessing you must have gone to the Roundhay Park show which I attended, sonically for an open air event the sound was the best I have ever heard. Amazing clarity, even after all these years it stands out as being a special event. One I personally will never forget!.
This album deserved more when releasing this, a lot more. I also loved that introductory music before they went on stage which was really something.

Stevo

I sure did, first time I’d been to the venue, it also kicked off the UK leg of the tour. Very hot day too.

Redders

That was fortunate. It was bloody freezing for Wembley Stadium on August 26th. Typical UK Bank Holiday week-end weather!!

Steve

I agree with all the grousing about the lack of hi-res/surround mixes. I do notice this release will have a hard-cover book. The one weakness of the 3 prior SM boxes was definitely the printed material. I’ll speculate it was not possible to include the desired DVD/BluRay content, so the improved write-up is being included to boost the value. Too bad, a definite missed opportunity.

I’ll be joining the group off to one side, waiting for the price to drop before I buy this one.

Wayne Klein

Without a lossless option here, I will just go with the two Cd set. Missed opportunity from the band and the label.

Remon

Perhaps the missing live tracks from Verona 1989 could be made available online? That wouldn’t be too much hastle to arrange by the record company.

Wessex char

Agree that no 5.1 is very disappointing as the album to me, would seem to be perfect for this; also missing tracks from the verona concert is annoying. Having said that it’s finally being released and including (remastered) single edits and mixes all in one place is in keeping with the other box sets.

Paul G

My only question and concern is whether the deluxe box is a flip or lift top lid? If it’s flip I’m not purchasing!

Marc

I just don’t understand why they left out a 5.1 mix, as I remember reading such a mix has been done years ago. Why did they decide to keep it on the shelf?

Marc

Here’s where I got the info from: https://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/threads/simple-minds-street-fighting-years-box-set-in-the-works.27455/ Paul, is there any way for you to verify if this 5.1. mix exists? If so, SM could take the Alan Parsons route and do a single standing release of a SFY surround mix…

Darren

Will there be a single-disc CD release?
I don’t get it. New Gold Dream, Sparkle In The Rain and Once Upon A Time all had single-disc versions.
Life is literally too short to listen to remixes/edits of the same song.
I just want the original album, remastered.

Poptones

If you only want the remastered album, this album (just like all other Simple Minds 80s albums) has already been remastered and repressed in 2002.

mark

I have been waiting so long for this, this album means so much…just want the vinyl. My only gripe is that its two records and not just one, i don’t get why they do this…well..i do, money.

David Carter

I am sure it will sound a lot better on 2 discs rather than one and as long as its a gatefold sleeve will look better too

Arnd

The original LP squeezed almost 60 minutes on one record. That comes at the expense ouf sound quality. Not acceptable for a deluxe release.

fish

I’m not a fan of this band and never heard of them, however I do have a comment on the box set contents. I know everyone likes different things and that’s fine. Personally if I was a fan of this band I would be excited for this set, due to the fact that it includes a live show. That would be enough for me. The demos I rarely listen to, and the surround sound thing is nice but doesn’t compare to an unreleased live show. If they had to choose between them I would always want the live show over incomplete songs and a dvd audio disc. But that’s just me. I hate when the bands I listen to don’t include a live album with remasters/box sets.

richard

never heard of them? seriously?

Derek Langsford

Really fish? I agree about demos – interesting for one or two listens, but I have the same opinion of live shows. The Sparkle in the Rain set concert on CD is almost unlistenable – poorly recorded and the performance was weak. I’ll take a 5.1 mix over a live show any day. Immersion in a discrete 5.1 (or more) mix of an album I love is a revelatory experience. I’d take a live DVD/Blu-ray over a live CD, but a 5.1 mix over both.

Each to their own!

SimonP

Must’ve been too busy in Marillion?

Ryk

Yep, 5.1 over live for me also. Personally, I find live albums to be poor (and poorly recorded) versions of the studio mixes. Probably why I’d rather spend money on more physical music than on a gig. And physical music I can revisit over and over again at (essentially) no additional cost.

Gavin

I never understand the interest in hearing demo versions. They are generally never meant for release and never sound as good as the finished version.
I prefer to have live stuff added.
As for 5.1 mixes. Does anyone actually ever listen to them more than once?

Klaus

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Yes, me for instance.

Kauwgompie

Yes, all the time.

Donald Chump

Yes, I can listen to the 5.1 mixes in the car.

RJS

“I never understand the interest in hearing demo versions”

Very true. I was listening to the second disc (demos) from the Legacy Edition of The Stone Roses debut earlier today. Absolutely awful and I took it off after two songs. Except for some Dylan material from the various Bootleg Sessions releases, demos are almost exclusively a one time only listen and then shelved and forgotten about.

musicoloog

Lots of times I prefer demos over the album versions. Demos sound the way the artist wanted a song to be sound. Producers will change the songs the way they like it or think it has to be sound (not always, but often songs are over-produced if you compare these to the original demos)

In other words, I really like demos and it’s a shame this SFY box-set won’t have any included…

mikey471

Agree with most of the comments already made. For me a 5.1 mix was a must have. This is a lazy attempt at a box set considering what could have been included. It’s as if the record company are sabotaging physical releases so they no longer need to bother with them.
When you’re expected to pay £40 for only part of what should be included and an edited concert it comes across as a rip off and showing disrespect for the group’s fans.

Neil

Totally agree with you.As others have already stated there is plenty of material that could have been added to this boxset to make it a worthwhile purchase. To omit it is bordering on criminal.If the band or record company can’t be bothered to give this type of project the care and attention that it deserves, why bother at all ? As a fan of the band for nearly 40 years I can’t express how disappointed I am with this lame,half hearted effort and will definitely not be buying on principle alone.

Mark T

Agree with the general chorus that this is disappointing, why couldnt the record company just follow the contents of the previous SE releases? Adding insult to injury is the additon of a poster, does anyone over the age of 15 get excited or even interested by the inclusion of a poster with a record?!

Richard S.

I’m not a massive SM fan, but I do have the other 3 SDEs and they have much better content. I’m not gonna bitch about it, but these do seem a bit light in comparison. So what’s happened this time? Is there some kind of rights issue or something? Why can’t someone just say why they have done what they’ve done, why does it have to be such a mystery?

Neil

Everything on disc 2 is available elsewhere so in theory it’s just a coaster and shouldn’t have been included. Between the price and the content which is very poor they are certainly going out of their way to encourage people not to buy this. One comment below stated that this was fabulous value for the content where they are getting that idea from i have no clue.

blink

“Everything on disc 2 is available elsewhere so in theory it’s just a coaster and shouldn’t have been included.“

This is such nonsense. Going by that most content of any deluxe edition should not be included and most 2CD editions should not even exist at all.

Of course all of this should be included, just because it exists elsewhere does not mean everyone already has it or can easily get it.

I’d like to see the reaction if anyone did that. The reaction now is nothing in comparison to that ;)

Here is what to me each remaster should contain

– The full original album with all bonus tracks different editions possibly had
– all 7 inch mixes, extended / alternative versions and b-sides (unless there are like 10 mixes of the same song, then pick the most interesting 3 or so)

For the SDE add the mixes you left out above, maybe a live show, maybe some outtakes / demos if they are of high enough production quality and the tape is still in good enough shape (both of which seem to be doubtful for this album).
If you feel like it, add a DVD/BluRay, but that is entirely optional. A 5.1 is even more optional and should probably be its own thing, just like Vinyl.

Also, make sure to not add Vinyl to the package to not shoot yourself in the foot and have people go for the 2CD edition instead…

Ross Baker

One of two points always comes up in these threads: in this, someone states that b-sides have already been released so they devalue the boxset. In the R.E.M. ones, someone states that not including the b-sides devalues the boxset. The bands and labels are damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

Vince Williams

With regards to this, I will give it a miss, no unreleased stuff etc.
With regards to the missing videos, I wonder if this is the same problem XTC had with their Duke’s boxset where they can’t include videos anymore due to a change in the licensing rules?
If so this needs to change!

Stuart Holland

I’m disappointed that the live CDs have missing tracks like ‘Wall Of Live’. Its not even the full set list.
For that kind off money they could have done a cd on unreleased demos like “People Stand Up Again”.
So come on guys you can treat your fans better than this. It’s like their trying to rake in as much cash as they can before it’s time for Jim to hang up his mic.

ANDREW KETLEY

Re my first reply…please ignore…I meant to say…..

No Demo’s…..No Unreleased Tracks……very disappointing….at least ‘New Gold Dream’ box set had more to offer