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Paul McCartney / Flaming Pie 5CD+2DVD deluxe edition / Archive Collection reissue

5CD+2DVD deluxe •  Flaming expensive • Half-speed mastered 2LP • Triple vinyl deluxe • Collector’s edition exclusive to Macca-channels

Paul McCartney continues his long-running archive collection reissue campaign with the re-release of his 1997 album Flaming Pie.

The album title is a reference to John Lennon‘s anecdote about how The Fab Four got their name (“It came in a vision – a man appeared on a flaming pie and said unto them, ‘from this day on you are Beatles with an A”) and the record saw something of a revival of Paul’s commercial fortunes, particularly in the US, where with the benefit of riding on the coattails of the three chart-topping Beatles Anthology albums, it peaked at number two on the Billboard Hot 200. Flaming Pie reached the same position in the UK and interestingly (or probably annoyingly, if you’re Paul) the very same album – the Spice Girls‘ debut, Spice – was the record that held it off the top spot both sides of the Atlantic.

On a more sombre note, it would be Paul McCartney’s last studio album before Linda died and his final album of original material of the millennium (although alter-ego ‘The Fireman’ would deliver the ambient masterpiece Rushes in 1998).

But while the album did well, its attendant singles struggled. By this point in the UK, it had been 10 years since Paul’s last top ten hit (‘Once Upon A Long Ago’) and of the trio of 45s issued from Flaming Pie here in Britain, only jaunty first single ‘Young Boy’ could even crack the top 20. The other two ‘The World Tonight’ (the only American single) and ‘Beautiful Night’ were both minor hits, despite McCartney and EMI putting together two-CD sets for each release packed full of new B-sides and rarities, including sequences from Paul’s ‘Oobu Joobu’ radio show. Conclusion? Paul’s ability to reach beyond his own fanbase and cross over to the mainstream had been severely eroded.

If you are not familiar with ‘Oobu Joobu’, it was a radio show broadcast on American radio network Westwood One in 1995 which featured demos, rehearsals, live performances, unreleased recordings and chat from Paul McCartney. Six specially edited ‘parts’ of this show were created (between 5 and 10 minutes each) and these were spread across the six CD singles (two for each song). These tapestries of rarities remain the only official release of any ‘Oobu Joobu’ content.

Flaming Pie’s recordings do not involve any of the band that Paul used for touring and recording between 1989 and 1993 – including musicians Hamish Stuart, Robbie McIntosh and Paul ‘Wix’ Wickens. Jeff Lynne (fresh from his sessions with ‘The Threetles’) produced the majority of the album and McCartney played most of the instruments himself, with significant contributions from Steve Miller (‘If You Wanna’, ‘Young Boy’, ‘Used To Be Bad’) and a certain Ringo Starr (who plays on and co-writes ‘Really Love You’). Linda had been contributing to Paul’s albums for 27 years, but now son James got in on the act and played guitar on ‘Heaven On A Sunday’.


Flaming Pie 5CD+DVD deluxe edition (click image to enlarge)

So what of the reissue? Well first off, let’s just point out that it has been another long wait. 2019 joins 2016 as another calendar year in which there was no Paul McCartney ‘Archive Collection’ reissue. Yes, we were offered various new editions of 2018’s Egypt Station, including that ‘Traveller’s Edition’ – packaged in a suitcase – and Black Friday brought two new songs on a picture disc seven-inch… but last year was relatively quiet by Paul’s standards which makes it all the more surprising that MPL and Capitol didn’t get the reissue machine in operation.

But back to Flaming Pie…  the super deluxe edition (what Macca’s team continue to call the ‘deluxe’) is a 5CD+2DVD package which contains all the books, photo-books, inserts, lyric sheets and the like that we have become used to. It’s also the most expensive reissue so far at over £200 retail price. That’s an enormous sum, especially, when you consider just eight years ago the not-so-different RAM deluxe was around the £85 mark, and even the very lavish Flowers in the Dirt package from 2017 at £135 was £85 less than what they are asking here. It seems as if team-McCartney have decided that the only way to continue with these lavish packages is to charge a premium. Presumably, the thinking is that numbers who are buying this kind of stuff is getting smaller, so the price must get higher – if they wish to maintain high production values (to be fair, nothing since they started with Band on the Run in 2010 has ever felt like it was done on the cheap).


Flaming Pie 2CD edition (click image to enlarge)

The numbered, limited box set features the original album remastered at Abbey Road Studios, 32 bonus audio tracks including unheard home recordings and demos, alternative studio recordings, rough mixes and B-sides including selections from Oobu Joobu parts 1-6, Flaming Pie At The Mill CD (Paul’s hour-long tour of his studio), video content including the In The World Tonight documentary, original music videos, EPKs, interviews, performances and behind-the-scenes material. This box comes with a download card for 24bit/96kHz  high-resolution audio.

In terms of printed matter, you get a 128-page book with unpublished images by Linda McCartney, expanded album artwork from the archives and the story behind the album written by Chris Heath – including track-by-track information, recipes and new interviews with Paul, Ringo Starr, Jeff Lynne, Steve Miller and key album personnel. Also included is a facsimile of John Hammel’s studio notebook, a copy of Club Sandwich MagazineFlaming Pie plectrum and envelope containing handwritten lyrics for 8 tracks and The Flame newspaper.

The album is pressed on 2LP vinyl for the first time, since the original was a single vinyl record. The new gatefold edition is also half-speed mastered by Miles Showell at Abbey Road Studios and comes with a lyric book.


3LP version of the Flaming Pie reissue (click image to enlarge)

A special 3LP deluxe edition adds a bonus record of demos and home recordings and all three records slot into a special bespoke slipcase.

There is no single CD edition, so the ‘base model’ is the 2CD edition which is surprisingly generous in terms of bonus content. The second disc here contains all of the home recordings/demos from CD 2 in the box set, six out of ten of the acoustic tracks/rough mixes on CD 3 from the box and all four ‘proper’ B-sides (‘Looking For You’, ‘Broomstick, Love Come Tumbling Down’, ‘Same Love’). That’s 21 bonus tracks and that’s an exceptional price on Amazon UK (pretty sure that will increase soon).

Paul McCartney is also offering a special mega-box ‘collector’s edition‘ version which is limited to 3000 units worldwide. This combines the 5CD+2DVD deluxe with the 3LP package and adds an extra exclusive vinyl record –’The Ballad of the Skeletons’ – Paul’s 1996 collaboration with Allen Ginsberg, also featuring Philip Glass and Lenny Kaye – released for the first time on vinyl and cut at 45 RPM with vinyl etching and poster. This collector’s edition also comes with a marbled art print portfolio of six silkscreened Linda McCartney art prints. The bad news is that this is £520 (!) which is a hefty premium for an extra record and some prints.

All formats of Flaming Pie are released on 31 July 2020. The deluxe set and the 3LP vinyl are very limited (I know because the SDE shop has been given a tiny allocation) and the collector’s edition limit even more so, as detailed above. The later will only be available direct-to-consumer via Paul’s sites and some associated UMC channels.

Collector’s Edition: Canada pre-order • UK pre-orderUS pre-order


To celebrate this impending reissue, SDE will be publishing a special keepsake booklet ‘McCartney: 10 Years of Archive Reissues‘. More on that here.

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CD 1 – Flaming Pie (2020 remaster)

The Song We Were Singing 3:55
The World Tonight 4:05
If You Wanna 4:37
Somedays 4:15
Young Boy 3:54
Calico Skies 2:32
Flaming Pie 2:30
Heaven On A Sunday 4:26
Used To Be Bad 4:12
Souvenir 3:41
Little Willow 2:58
Really Love You 5:18
Beautiful Night 5:08
Great Day 2:09

CD2 – Demos and Home Recordings

The Song We Were Singing  5:25
The World Tonight  2:26
If You Wanna  3:00
Somedays 4:15
Young Boy 2:22
Calico Skies 2:31
Flaming Pie  1:40
Souvenir 2:54
Little Willow  2:26
Beautiful Night 4:27
Great Day 3:30

CD3 – Studio tracks

Great Day [Acoustic] 2:17
Calico Skies [Acoustic] 2:06
C’mon Down C’mon Baby 1:23
If You Wanna [Demo] 1:54
Beautiful Night [Run Through] 4:09
The Song We Were Singing [Rough Mix] 3:50
The World Tonight [Rough Mix] 3:47
Little Willow [Rough Mix] 2:59
Whole Life [Rough Mix] 5:34
Heaven On A Sunday [Rude Cassette] 4:43

CD4 – B-sides

The Ballad of The Skeletons
Looking For You 4:41
Broomstick 5:10
Love Come Tumbling Down 4:23
Same Love 3:55
Oobu Joobu Part 1 (8:47)
Oobu Joobu Part 2 (8:27)
Oobu Joobu Part 3 (7:57)
Oobu Joobu Part 4 (5:31)
Oobu Joobu Part 5 (8:48)
Oobu Joobu Part 6 (9:16)

CD 5 – Flaming Pie at the Mill

Spoken word documentary

DVD 1

In The World Tonight (Documentary)

DVD 2

Beautiful Night
Making Of Beautiful Night
Little Willow
The World Tonight [directed by Alistair Donald)
The World Tonight [directed by Geoff Wonfor)
Young Boy [directed by Alistair Donald]
Young Boy [directed by Geoff Wonfor]
Flaming Pie EPK 1
Flaming Pie EPK 2
In The World Tonight EPK
Flaming Pie Album Artwork Meeting
TFI Friday Performances
David Frost Interview

Flaming Pie 3LP vinyl

LP 1
The Song We Were Singing
The World Tonight
If You Wanna
Somedays
Young Boy
Calico Skies
Flaming Pie

LP 2
Heaven On A Sunday
Used To Be Bad
Souvenir
Little Willow
Really Love You
Beautiful Night
Great Day

LP3 – Demos & Home Recordings

The Song We Were Singing [Demo]
The World Tonight [Demo]
If You Wanna [Demo]
Somedays [Demo]
Young Boy [Demo]
Calico Skies [Home Recording]
Flaming Pie [Demo]
Souvenir [Demo]
Little Willow [Demo]
Beautiful Night [Studio Demo]
Great Day [Home Recording]

 

 

Flaming Pie 2CD edition

CD 1 – Flaming Pie (2020 remaster)

The Song We Were Singing 3:55
The World Tonight 4:05
If You Wanna 4:37
Somedays 4:15
Young Boy 3:54
Calico Skies 2:32
Flaming Pie 2:30
Heaven On A Sunday 4:26
Used To Be Bad 4:12
Souvenir 3:41
Little Willow 2:58
Really Love You 5:18
Beautiful Night 5:08
Great Day 2:09

CD 2

1. The Song We Were Singing [Home Recording]
2. The World Tonight [Home Recording]
3. If You Wanna [Home Recording]
4. Somedays [Home Recording]
5. Young Boy [Home Recording]
6. Calico Skies [Home Recording]
7. Flaming Pie [Home Recording]
8. Souvenir [Home Recording]
9. Little Willow [Home Recording]
10. Beautiful Night [1995 Demo]
11. Great Day [Home Recording]
12. Beautiful Night [Run Through]
13. Whole Life [Rough Mix]
14. Heaven On A Sunday [Rude Cassette]
15. Great Day [Acoustic]
16. Calico Skies [Acoustic]
17. C’mon Down C’mon Baby
18. Looking For You
19. Broomstick
20. Love Come Tumbling Down
21. Same Love

Flaming Pie 2LP vinyl

LP 1
The Song We Were Singing
The World Tonight
If You Wanna
Somedays
Young Boy
Calico Skies
Flaming Pie

LP 2
Heaven On A Sunday
Used To Be Bad
Souvenir
Little Willow
Really Love You
Beautiful Night
Great Day

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Beatle Mike

I just picked up the deluxe edition for $176 + tax on Amazon USA. Not sure how long this discount will last but wanted to share it with you guys.

Stephen Hance

Paul, a niche question for you. What are the dimensions and the weight of this box? I ordered it in the USA to be delivered to a friend. I now need to arrange to get it. You have seen it – if you can help I would be v grateful!

Stephen Hance

Thanks Paul that’s really helpful.

Ao L

Two dvd? Why not a blu-ray? For € 264.99 it could already be the latest technology, right? I keep saying that he laughs at us. We will see in the coming months how many more reissues there will be.

Johnny Aitken

Why not a SACD version too? and surround sound

Andy

Well its a pricey package for the Collectors Edition no doubt, and from the number of comments on here I suspect many would actually really like to own it, but have to draw the line on price somewhere. Totally understand, especially in the current pandemic climate.
I’m sure the Marketing and Finance teams have consulted accordingly at Capitol to decide on pricing, what they can deliver package wise for an extra few hundred bucks on Deluxe v Collectors and at what price point will see all the Collector stock sold etc.
Many of us have bought all the previous Deluxe Editions, some bought the special Tug Of War with Acrylic Slipcase (now on Discogs starting AUD$630.00), some bought Wings 1971-73 to get the extra book and packaging etc. (non for sale on Discogs at present but median price AUD$2,000.00 and highest sale price AUD$2,600.00 !!!!!) and I’m sure some of us will buy Flaming Pie Collectors Edition for extra packaging, prints and an extra vinyl for approx AUD$900 and to see it listed on Discogs in 12 months time and selling for $AUD2,000.00 ++
There will always be a market, call it collectors frenzy, obsessive compulsive, crazy etc. whatever, BUT Capitol know what they are doing, who they are dealing with and what they can charge. They know the market, they know we have all the previous archive editions and they are also rapidly approaching the thin end of the wedge with McCartney’s catalogue now.
I personally think we have London Town and Back To the Egg to look forward to in the pipeline for 2021, and they both will be complimented with an additional Wings 1978-79 box at the very pricey end (I suspect even more pricey than Flaming Pie) and that will nicely book end the 1970’s Wings releases and quite possibly close out the archive series. What’s left ? GMRTBS, P2P and OTG ? If these do get an archive release it will have to be a super presentation with loads of extra’s to attract buyers and hence a higher price point again.
I am buying the Flaming Pie Collectors Edition, I totally understand all the sentiments here, the current climate we live in, but its something I will cherish, its the best of the best and will nicely compliment all my other archive releases. I just wish it had a few more extra’s; maybe a couple of scarves, a bag of marbles and a couple of locks of Paul’s pubic hair ! (sanitized of course !)

Reed

If the deluxe set included a 5.1 mix, I might have considered it. Without one, not a chance.

Lode De Gendt

For less than the price for this sole deluxe edition I could buy the earlier 2x deluxe editions each time.
Don’t know what Sir Paul is thinking but I guess £££££££££ and $$$$$$$$$$ is all that matters now…….

Tim in Miami

This is a nice album but one I almost never listen to anymore. Put me down in the “yawn” category until we get London Town and Back To The Egg. I would have even preferred “Off the Ground” to this one.

Timothy Harrison

Yeah, had pre-ordered but just cancelled…given what you get for the money I can’t justify the expense.

Parker Thompson

Picked up the Deluxe on DeepDiscount with promo code SUNSHINE for $169.99 USD.

[…] and features Ringo Starr on drums. All four tracks on the Beautiful Night EP are available on the forthcoming deluxe edition of Flaming Pie, and two of them – ‘Beautiful Night’ and Oobu Joobu Pt. […]

Ben Williams

https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/culture/article/paul-mccartney-beautiful-night-flaming-pie

Free mp3 download of 1986 mix of Beautiful Night available from Paul’s website (McCartney that is)

joe colone

Does Sir Paul not realize that not all of his fans are extremely wealthy? Is he not aware that the world is in a major economic downturn? I love Flaming Pie. But I’m VERY upset over the price.

Nathan Thomas

For me it’s about the music, so do I need to pay an extra £250 for a 12” single & some Linda screenprints – that’s a big no! Some retailers have the deluxe for £199 and the 3LP for £39 so not the full RRP which is a relief (plus site Specific & clickthrough site discounts on top)

Bill

I had been pondering why these latest editions are so expensive when even the massive boxes for RAM and Wings Over America were fairly reasonable.

Then I noticed the spike came after Paul left Hear Music and signed with Capitol again.

Florent

Sadly, according to the Official McCartney’s monthly newsletter, it seems Flaming Pie ill be the last Archive Deluxe of the collection -even if Flaming Pie is one of his greatest album, no doubt on it…

stefan

??? The newsletter says cleary “latest” not “last”.

Eric

Where did it say it would be the last of the Archive Deluxe releases? Sure you didn’t just misread “latest”?

Wayne K

For the amount they are asking for the collector’s edition, surely Paul should have included his autograph!

Mark lane

Agreed, if it had that I’d have thought about it but a vinyl and some photos for an extra 300 quid? I could get one of the rarer beatles vinyls for that.

Stephen Hance

For the amount they are charging Paul should drop it round personally and come in for a socially distanced cup of tea. I ordered the collectors box but have now cancelled. I have been able to preorder SDE and vinyl for £200 total. Can’t justify another £300 for a box, some pictures, and a 12”

PATRICK MARCHANT

The £250 deluxe edition is no longer available from Amazon uk ? Can’t be sold out , is it a ploy ?

Marc Sutton

Deluxe box set not available on Amazon UK, Italy or Germany!! Surely it cant be selling out on pre-order at those prices???

Jerry

Thanks

Mike

The ‘Collector’s Edition’ should be considered as an ‘art’ package – which happens to come with additional ‘Deluxe’ set content, as it’s focus seems to be on the extra fancy box, the Art portfolio and its prints, and the sketched Skeletons disc. How much do art prints of this type cost – perhaps that’s why the set is so expensive?

Dan

current car cost less than the Collector’s Edition! I’ll wait for the Eighth-Speed Mastered 7x 10” coloured vinyl 78rpm leather-bound ‘Book’ set…

Bgentile

I’m very surprised all the songs are available digitally on iTunes for $24.99 and Amazon for $23.99. Maybe they made the calculation that they will make maximum profit by most people downloading the songs and fewer buying the expensive deluxe box set. I generally don’t look at books except for a couple times. I think I’ll go the digital route this time.

Dave

I’m heading that way too. The pricing on the box here has just finished me off I’m afraid. Considering cashing in on the solo boxes and just keeping the Wings ones – as a compulsive completist, this stings, but I think he’s taking the piss on pricing and especially in the world as its reshaping now.

On the iTunes route, what is the quality – can you get them as wav or FLAC files or are they all just mp3?

Odd that iTunes in the UK are not offering The Ballad of the Skeletons or Flaming Pie at the Mill either.

Gary Shaw

Once again, those of us who want physical product and not just downloads, are having the piss taken out of us.
Anyone who pays that exorbitant amount is either rich beyond the dreams of avarice, or as dumb as a box of hammers.
I’m all in favour of the King Crimson/XTC type reissues, but so many other acts are now just a waste of time and money. I’ll stick with the basic edition of their albums and spend my money on acts who actually like their fans.

Kevin Henry

I wonder why Oobu Joobu Parts 1-5 have been trimmed as there is enough space on the album for the full versions.

Oobu Joobu Part 6 is longer on the album (9.16) than the Beauitful Night CD single version which is 8.33.

Squid is a cracker and should have been on the album.

Alain Brenez

The triple vinyl is at less than 33 euro on Amazon NL right now.

Leo

Thanks. Also grabbed that one.

63 euros and if it all works out well I own the deluxe and 3lp set…

Leo

Today…for a few hoirs amazon.nl sold the deluxe box for 30 euros…

I immediately ordered it an they confirmed it already.
I still expect a cancellation but if it’s true it’s a great bargain…

Richard Bristow

One has to wonder if the short lived Amazon Italy price was also an error.

The Amazon UK price keeps jumping about, I wonder why?

Paul

Check the deluxe version out on amazon.nl right now… doesn’t ship to UK though

Quante

At £520 for a box set based around one album, I wonder at what point stupidity overtakes commonsense by those involved in marketing this?

Commercial teams will look to maximise a profit, but when you insult the loyal customer you wish to sell to, then the people involved in making these decisions are idiots.

£520 tells you that the egos involved have misplaced their brain cells. No matter what content has been included, the brand McCartney has been used as a means to abuse the most fervent fans and extract their hard earned cash.

How about looking after that diehard customer who really wants that box and offering a fair value priced product? Just because the McCartney name is pop royalty doesn’t mean that the price has to be inflated to an extortionate level to reflect that Paul can charge his fan base anything. You’d think that the reputation of the McCartney name is something that shouldn’t be associated with avarice, greed, meanness; whatever the fitting adjective is.

I doubt anyone involved in setting a £520 price level would pay that amount themselves to own the box set they want to sell, so why try and extract that from a supporter of McCartney’s product. Sadly it’s not the first or even second significant reputational disaster for the McCartney name in recent times (FITD mp3’s, Eygpt brief case), so watch out for the £1,000 box set of the Frog’s Chorus at some point in the future. Shame on them.

What? McCartney? Worry!

With these prices it’s gonna make you wince when the last two Wings will be issued, probably as one set with a live Album, time to sell your kidneys or first born or better still remortage the house.

Alastair

I really can’t decide what to do with this release. I love the album, and I would have automatically ordered the ‘deluxe’, but it is crazily expensive. However, it looks like a lovely package, and the extra audio is good, although it would have been better with some more Oobu Joogu material. I have all six of the CD singles, so it would seem like a good way forward is to get the 2CD version of the album and keep the singles……..or sell the singles and put the money towards the ‘deluxe’. I don’t know, but I’ve preordered both, and will put the decision off until nearer the time.

Dirceu

I consider SDE or the best site to inform me about the great re-releases (like any of the McCartney Archives Series). And since the great controversy about the Deluxe edition of Flowers In The Dirt, widely discussed here, I stopped the consumption of these (more) expensive editions.

However, my point of view here is different. I recently noticed a slight difference in the mastering pattern of the latest releases (Wild Life and RRS) compared to the first ones in the series, 10 years ago.

At the beginning, they offered Limited and Unlimited options in the high-resolution digital version. CD editions have always been masters Limited, but it seems that recently, they opted for Unlimited. Recent reissues sound much softer and more enjoyable to hear than, for example, the 2010 edition of Band On The Run or even Ram, which sounds loud. Has anyone else noticed this?

Jules(Rules)

I sense Unlimited re-worked versions of the early reissues coming on…

Florentino Stabile

Hi Paul,
I could not keep from commenting on this. In the middle of a pandemic and world financial crisis Sir Paul has just pulled the worst ever promotion campaign (reissue). I mean if it was not bad enough at box sets over $ 200.00 Canadian for previous ones. However, this Flaming Pie reissue campaign is completely preposterously insane. How can you charge $ 800.00 plus Canadian for a box set. It is high for an entire catalog of an artist but for one release. This is unacceptable. I for one have bought the Sgt Pepper<s box and the White Album but still Abbey Road will need to wait until the price drops. I think Yoko Ono and the Lennon Estate have got it right. You did not need to sell the farm to purchase the Imagine box set. The Signature box is a little expensive but… this Macca campaign is too much. It is time that the people at Parlaphone and the other record companies involved… Apple are not innocent in this as well… it is time that they look themselves in the mirror and think. Does Macca want to absolutely be the richest man on the face of the planet for the end of time. Remember I am a massive Beatles and McCartney fan and cannot deny his legend as one of the best singer/songwriter in history… but this is somethings entirely different.

Martin

understand what you’re saying but Parlaphone or EMI have absolutely nothing to do with this release. All Maccas back catalogue was sold to Concorde music

Ben

… and with Capitol it all started – the FITD desaster, increasing prices and so on.

@Florentino: I‘m absolutely with you. Here in Germany we have to pay 40 Euros for the double vinyl version which is already insane as other record companies sell those for 25 Euros or less (e.g. Bridges to Babylon 2LP half speed mastering is 22 Euros at Amazon Germany…). The 3 LP version is 70 Euros – 30 Euros more for one extra LP? This is nothing but a rip-off.

John

Th super deluxe is obviously insane but i’m more annoyed about the general increase in prices for a simple double vinyl. Many creeping up to £35 which to me seems ridiculous. I’m just not buying anything on release anymore.

Cristiano Ferlazzo

As a forty-year-old Beatles fan, collector of their complete discographies, I have always considered Flaming Pie as one of his most successful tests. As a fan who tries to have everything or almost, I think, after reading the details of the new box set, which I will not buy this very expensive box.Again I felt a strong disappointment for what could have been and was not.
I certainly am not impressed by the beautiful packaging from the papers thrown here and there written by its author, let alone by photo books which, with all due respect for its author, add nothing, but rather make the price of each individual project go up unnecessarily.But let’s go in order: apart from the lineup of the songs that I find sublime, I can’t say the same about the rehearsals in the studio that can become boring in the long run … or the unpublished that in reality unpublished are not as songs already published in the single CDs released So summing up both the unreleased and the broadcasts of Oobu Joobu are only useless reproposals.I can’t nor do I want to buy the same thing twice. Still burn the shit made with Egypt Station. How can we not remember that huge suitcase with inside …. well .. let’s leave it alone.I don’t know why Paul Mc Carteny insists on putting similar caskets on the market.The disappointment for the Tug of War and Flowers in the dirt boxes is still fresh.

Tom m hans

Bullmoose.com has the 5cd 2dvd version for 198 USD on preorder. No taxes since I am out of state in Florida AND so far they have NOT charged my CC but confirmed the preorder via email. Free shipping included. Ships only within the US. Thats 72.00 cheaper than bezos.com shipping to my state. Peace.

Stephen Hance

I’ve ordered the stupidly deluxe although still undecided about cancelling. It is a lot of money for not a lot of content. I bought Big Barn Box too and seem to remember that sold out very quickly. This one is still available. Perhaps he really has misjudged the market this time?

Dean

As long as people continue to pay these types of prices, the longer they’ll keep them high. It really is that simple.

Kevin from Edinburgh

This high price feeds a couple of psychological desires. One, obviously, is the desire to ‘have everything’ (aka the completist mentality). For those who invested (and the term ‘investment’ is, itself, polysemous in this context) in previous editions, then pushing the cost envelope might induce a sense of some discomfort, but one that is bearable because the alternative (not having it all) is even more uncomfortable. Cost isn’t such a key factor, as cost is soon forgotten, but it’s on the shelf – in the collection – forever. Moreover, the cost is something that arises only every 1-2 years, as far as this series goes.

Another is the desire to buy and own the ‘best’ (the top of the range). How nice is it to know you have ‘the best’? It’s a powerful motivator. And this is true for many of us. We may not be able to buy the ‘best’ cars out there (although there may be some readers here with Bentleys, etc…), or the biggest houses, and a Rolex may be out of reach, but we might stretch to the ‘super Deluxe’ edition of an album, even if it costs £500. If that’s too much, then the mere regulation ‘deluxe’ is most of the content, at less than half the price. Can’t afford £500? Then £200 starts to sound very reasonable.

For those of us who want, or need, to take the more parsimonious route, the 2-cd at £13 seems like a bargain (after all, a cd was £12 more than 30 years ago!).

This release is polarising but it’s also a window into how the record companies know who we are, how we think, and what we want. They have every base – desire/want – covered. They know it, and so do we, I suspect.

george glazener

from Edinburgh; Brilliant! Extremely well thought out and eloquently stated. I agree 100%. This is surely not a case of pure greed, for that would ultimately fail, but instead it’s a carefully researched and market focused strategy, something these folks know how to do very well. Your assertions are exactly what I personally think about when deciding whether or not to buy these packages, and which costs can be justified. After having bought all of Macca’s SDEs over the last 10 years, I found myself regretting the expense, as I rarely revisited the books, the pics, etc. So I ended up selling off almost all of them. The videos can be easily found on YT, the images can be easily found on Google. I kept all the basic CD sets, and will get that again for Flaming Pie. In the end, it’s all about a great sounding CD full of great music.

John DeAngeli

I have enjoyed reading your previews/reviews, Paul. I have taken the plunge for the Flaming Pie Deluxe Edition, and have signed up and ordered your McCartney SDE booklet. Will have them all – had to go to crazy lengths to get the Wildlife/RRS combo with the Wings Over Europe. I did draw the line at the Egypt Station Suitcase Edition though – I can only take so much useless bric-a-bac.

One question for you: the deluxe edition looks to have the Ballad of the Skeletons on CD; so the only advantage of the Collector’s Edition is to get it on vinyl? (Along with the Linda McCartney prints.) Look forward to the book!

Jackson

Am I the only one who wishes he would just continue the Wings archives? London Town and Back to the Egg?

Michael

No, you are definitely NOT the only one, Jackson.

mike

I agree, its not that Flaming Pie isnt a great album because it is, but bar the demos it comes from the era of the cd single. Personally I would like Press to Play but that’ll probably be last.

Dave

Seconded. For me, London Town is the best Wings album anyway, so I have a vested interest in it, but it makes no sense not to complete the sequence does it?
I did read somewhere that there was an issue getting everyone to agree to the Rockestra element of a release, which maybe suggests London Town and Back to the Egg were scheduled to come out together, like Wild Life and Red Rose. Maybe that was supposed to be last year’s release?
As to FP, price is too high when you compare with the other sets anyway, but in the current climate? Makes all that stuff about us all “being in this together” ring a bit hollow.

Stan Butler

Far from it, Jackson.
I’d have preferred it if he had wrapped up the 70s with London Town and Back To The Egg AND the 80s with Broad St and Press To Play, before getting round to Flaming Pie.
I also sense that the deluxe sets have increasingly being burdened with unnecessary printed material. I’m sure that a lot of this is meant in memory of Linda, however it adds appreciably to the cost.

Stan Butler

Price drop on the Flaming Pie SDE on Amazon UK
It has been reduced from £203.36 to £201.38
Get in quick as this deal may not last long!

Dean

£229.90 on Amazon now

Paul Taylor

Paul, do you think the £25 premium between the 2 x LP and 3 x LP is merited? I’m more a Beatles fan than a solo fan, but I know this to be a good album and would like a vinyl copy. I suspect the packaging accounts for a good bit of it.
Cheers

Pds

Any indication as to ‘hidden’ tracks. There’s been a few over the last few archive sets.

Gareth Jones

Following the expensive SDE suitcase version of his album, l have to say he’s missed a marketing trick here. For a mere £600 he could’ve presented all the contents inside a giant replica pie. You slice into the pie and pull out the “filling” of CDs, books, etc.

And every purchase enters you into a raffle to win a meal out of vegan pie and mash in the company of Sir Paul.

……If any record companies are reading this and looking for innovative over-priced box set marketing ideas, then please just drop me a line. I’m currently furloughed so available!

RJS

Haha! Very good!

Paul

Brilliant! And then when sold out they can say who “ate”all the pies?

mjc

HA!

mark browne

Without a shadow of doubt this album is one of Paul’s better solo efforts, its really good, varied and sounds great.but those prices are ridiculous to the average consumer. I don’t know whether Paul knows or even cares, but they are beyond the general person’s budget..i have to look at these different packages and decide which one offers the best value overall.

Philip Wilson

On 4th January, a box set appeared on Amazon as TBC by TBC at £146.34 (may have been just over £150 actually) with a June release date. Turns out it was this box, so anyone who took a punt then will be getting it for £146.34. Just had an email saying revised delivery date of 5th August

Brian Scott

I guess that means I’ve now officially withdrawn from this collection. I bought the first 10, buying either side of what for me was his best solo work (RRS, BotR, and V&M) because I wanted to go deeper into these and explore the other albums in more detail. However I’ve never paid more than £90 for any of them and most of them I picked up around £40-£50.

I appreciate and understand that many die-hard fans will be willing to pay these prices, but I’m sure there are also many, many more people like me who would love to complete the collection but now won’t be, because of the recent move to frankly obscene pricing. As others have said we also aren’t seeing prices for the recent issues dropping either, new or used, so sadly, while I will buy the double CD, as for the SDE, as they say on Dragon’s Den, “I’m Out”

Nowhereman

I’ve seen quite a few comments on various sites saying that they will wait until the price falls. Not so sure it will. I didn’t buy Flowers in the Dirt archive release ( despite having all the others) as it was so comparatively dear at the time. It has never fallen in price. Only become more expensive. Which is frustrating because he is of course relying on people like me and the others who frequent this site who want to have everything. So we end up buying it despite our better judgement. Anyway for the moment I’m happy with the triple vinyl which of course is also ridiculously dear. But happy to pay a small premium to SDE for it rather than buy from Amazon. Worth it for the pleasure that this site gives me each day.

Chris Squires

The old saying of “In for a penny, in for a Pound” has held here as I am sure many of us here started with Ram and have moved through the collection becoming either increasingly or decreasingly despondent with each release as the archive material gets better or worse. And the price moves from manageable to ridiculous with no apparent relationship to content.

Reading between the lines, as that is all we can do, it would seem that this is the straw that will break our camels. It would seem that many who have nearly all of the previous releases will give this a swerve and it is purely down to greed.
There is absolutely no justifiable reason, none, for a price of between £210 and £250 depending. You couldn’t give one. The paper isn’t perforated with 24k gold ribbons or the CDs were not hand mined from a Peruvian mountainside by Asháninkas. It’s 5CDs and 2DVDs and some paper. I have long argued, usually with the same people, that you can’t just do a flat cost of £10 per Disc and £15 for a book. There has to be some latitude given for the artist and the album, cultural context, quality of materials etc…. BUT to be blunt. This is taking the piss. No ifs and no buts. It is an utter, utter disgrace and me and my bargepole will give it an Emile Heskey.

J

Spot on Chris. What is a bargepole?

Chris Squires

Dictionary definition: a long pole used to propel a barge and fend off obstacles
A barge being a canal boat.
I have always used the phrase “I wouldn’t touch it with a bargepole” to mean. Whatever it is, is so horrible or unwanted that I want to keep it far, far away from me and I wouldn’t want to touch it, even with a 12 foot pole.
I am sure it has been said about most of us at one time or other in our lives.

I am more surprised that you didn’t ask what an “Emile Heskey” was….

Guy.S

I would like to ask, Chris… what is an “Emile Heskey”?

Chris Squires

Ah, well not to be too unkind. Good old Emile Heskey was an English footballer (Aston Villa, Liverpool) who somehow, with his bang on average talent, managed to have an 11 year, 62 game career with the English National team. He was a striker / forward and managed only 7 goals in that extended run. Ludicrous when you consider that Alan Shearer only had 63 games for England but scored 30 times. Among some, admittedly, very good goals for his clubs he became somewhat famous in Europe for some absolute howlers and poor play. “Wide of the mark” sums it up.
He sadly became the target and butt of many jokes about over compensated and under-talented footballers.
a) Did you see Emile Heskey’s obituary? It read “Emile Heskey – Sadly missed… again”
b) A prisoner on Death Row in Utah has been allowed to choose his firing squad. He has chosen Emile Heskey”
c) Emile Heskey has hit out at his critics….and missed.

To be honest he wasn’t that bad and if he hadn’t kept being chosen to play for England no one would probably have noticed.

I could relate it in musical terms but someone would get upset. Think of the group / artist who keeps on selling millions and you can’t quite work out why as they just aren’t that good.

Richard Harris

They seem to apply a sort of reverse economics to these McCartney deluxe editions. It’s as if they say we know we’re not going to sell many copies as the market is shrinking so this is how much we need to charge to not actually lose too much on the whole project (i.e. a king’s ransom in the case of the Collector’s Edition). Wouldn’t they actually sell more if they were more affordable to start with? We’re talking about what to my mind is one of Paul’s best solo albums, along with FITD, after all. Ironic that news of this cash grab broke on the day that Paul was taking the Italian concert promoters to task for not refunding fans who bought tickets for his cancelled shows there but only offered refunds. Suddenly Pink Floyd The Later Years looks almost reasonably priced!

Tobias

So sad the boxes are getting so expensive. Ive been collecting the super deluxe editions since the start of the Archive series. I even naught the Super limited rare expensive Wings 1971-73 box ( Wildlife and RedRose super deluxe included with bonus material) That one was 450€ (?!). Now you can find it sometimes on eBay or Discogs for sale at 1500€…!!!
I’m not going to preorder the collectors box of this one. Can’t justify the price on any level. I’m going for the “regular” super deluxe box set and the 3 disc vinyl. Amen.

Soren

Yeah this is sad with these high prices combinig with increasing shipping charges!!

Ronnie

ridiculous price.

adam shaw

Hi Paul .
I’ve noticed that the skeleton song is on disc 4 on the Macca site but it’s missing on your listing.
Which is right ?