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R.E.M. confirm Monster box set for 2019

R.E.M. have confirmed that their 1994 album Monster will be reissued towards the end of this year for its 25th anniversary.

A post on the band’s official Facebook page today simply states “#Monster25 coming soon” followed by “October 1994: released. October 2019: planning starting now…”

#Monster25 coming soon. October 1994: released. October 2019: planning starting now. It’s a real trove of treasures.

Posted by R.E.M. on Monday, 21 January 2019

 

The news doesn’t come as a great surprise, since similar treatment was given to 1991’s Out Of Time and 1992’s Automatic For The People in 2016 and 2017 respectively. Monster wasn’t as well received as the two that preceded it and was a return to a more ‘rockier’ vibe.

The album spawned a number of singles including ‘What’s The Frequency Kenneth?’, ‘Bang and Blame’ and ‘Strange Currencies’.

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stuart

I don’t like to read people pulling down vinyl as I think there’s room for all formats. For me vinyl is something a bit different you get the nice big cover art and lowering the needle down and watching the record spin is really fun and then you have all the coloured ones now and marble effects and they look amazing and sound just as good in my opinion. I still download and I’ve been buying cd’s too. I’d love to have Monster on vinyl.

Bill

Road movie on Blu-Ray would be cool. Including 3 song performance on SNL as well as appearances on Late Show and Tonight Show would be as well. Coming out on a limited 180 gram Dbl LP with 2nd record filled with B-sides

the_refunct

I’d love to see/hear the second show from NYC/MSG on that tour. Near Wild Heaven, You and a mighty raucous take on MOTM. Make this so…

Johnny P

One of REM’s best (I like it a LOT more than AFTP) and a ton of fun. I like it almost as much as Murmur and Chronic Town. I can’t wait for the deluxe edition.

David Moeller

WITCHITA LINEMAN!!!! PLEASE PLEASE include this song that was performed on the Monster tour on the Box Set maybe as an Extra Lp of Bonus Live,B-sides,Demos,etc and since Glenn Campbell passed away just a few years ago it would be a nice little tribute to him. It was afterall included as an official single B-Side to the Bittersweet Me song so you should be able to track down the master or a copy of it…..JUST REMEMBER GUYS…..WITCHITA LINEMAN!!!!

Taylor

“witcheta lineman” will be on the expnded “New Adventures In Hi-Fi” in 2021. though they performed it on the Monster tour it belongs to the next records reissue as it was recorded during the NAIHF sessions during their soundchecks and used as the b-side to “bittersweet me”

Mathew Lauren

I’d like to see a bookset à la Tull:

Disc 1: a Japanese-mastered, hybrid-multi SACD with the original 2.0 mix (also remastered) on the cd-layer and a 2.0 and (THE Elliot Scheiner) 5.1 on the DSD SACD-layer.

Disc 2: (ONE) 24/96 4K-Blu ATMOS disc to include:
– hirez 2.0
– (Original) advanced rez (lpcm) 24/96 5.1
– a NEW ATMOS mix done by someone
extraordinary and COMPETENT.
– all MTV vids reformatted to 16X9 with hirez 2.0, 5.1
and ATMOS options ported over

AND

– an ATMOS download-card for “Monster”

Lastly, as as a bonus, ALL purchasers will be sent a “corrected” ATMOS disc of “AFTP.” I’ve been banging this drum since I received and noticed bass lines missing from the protest song “Ignoreland” in ATMOS (only!). I can’t be the only one who noticed these crucial missing notes with NO explanation. How in God’s name the original mixers (Litt & Norrell) left out (these consequential) bass lines off their ATMOS mix with NO EXPLANATION is mind-boggling. It stands out, and it’s UNACCEPTABLE!

Fix it!

As a fan of R.E.M. to (at least) “Monster,” it’s my hope this gets a proper surround-sound remix for ~the price of the Tull booksets — and on that note, I’d (almost) like to see a different SDE format to continue the “non-conformity” theme from RE to RE during THIS round of REM “surround-sound” SDEs

…OR conform and copy the “OoT” 5.1-Blu book presentation. Please, however, abandon any notions toward MORE, bloated boxsets that sit in drawers, after “the wallets” w/appropriate cd & surround discs are retrieved.

musicoloog

Include all the versions, demos, cassette-only instrumentals, live…etc.
All the singles included live tracks, not sure these were all from the same concert. If so, release the full concert, at least in audio. Blu-Ray/DVD would be nice to include, but not a ‘must’.

It would be annoying to exclude a few tracks, which happens too many times regarding SDE’s.

huskerdude

All the live tracks from the singles were released on the Automatic for the People 25th anniversary edition – they were all from a concert at the 40 Watt Club in ’92.

Marc

Pure “Marmite” album……. personally I love it ; certainly in their top 5 albums. With regards SDE content; it’s a simple equation;

Previously unreleased+ Alternate versions ( not demos which are practically the same as the released version i.e all Manics SDE’s) + smattering of b-sides + good quality dvd / blue ray i.e Depeche Mode SDE’s) = immediate purchase!

Best examples of above equation; A-Ha,TFF & Wet Wet Wet debut’s SDE …. simply stunning more like this please

Ian

I would like to see the various wonderful sugestions being released on pure audio Blu-ray. Which the CSNY 1974 box set collection as issued by Rhino / Warner’s music label was, however not everyone has the equipment to listen with headphones on and appreciate the difference. I recommend techmoan channel on you tube, to appreciate the differing audio formats & the music industries various attempts to sell music to the public.

Paul-Denis Clermont

More complete live concert.

Nemo

great news

noyoucmon

As a fan since their debut EP Chronic Town, for me Monster was the beginning of the end. “It’s certainly better than Green”? L O L

AndyB

I agree that the IRS years were amazing, but for me “Green” was a bitter disappointment. I found it aimless and dull with the exception of a couple of songs. But even their worst albums always had a couple of great tunes. (“Electron Blue” anyone?)

kook

It’s interesting that there’s never been much consensus as to what REM’s best albums are – I’ve heard some say ‘Green’ is their favourite, while ‘Monster’ seems to be rated and hated in equal measure. Perhaps this is the mark of a great band, as opposed to a band that made a couple of great albums.

ps. ‘Electron Blue’ – agreed.

Gav Hilzbrich

Wow! This album really divides opinions. I loved it when it was released and I love it even more now. I remember going into my local Our Price before college on the day it was released and I couldn’t wait to get home that evening to play it. I already own the 5.1 DVD, which I think is very good, but I wouldn’t mind an atmos version if they get it right. Loads of demos, live recordings and hopefully some unreleased gems from that period would be great. Can’t wait!

wayne klein

That’s because this was the beginning of the decline for the band.

Nemo

hail hail

new adventures in hifi n up are far better albums than some of their 80s records imho. then this is the decline in your opinion and your pithy opinion is certainly not a relevant way to discuss…

AndyB

The deklein.

Silica

Actually, i am quite looking forward to this. I really do have a soft spot for this album, great videos, great tunes, more of a rock approach, yet still artistic and arty. Considering it was by an American band, i always felt it fitted in quite nicely with the great ‘Brit Pop’ renaissance of inventive guitar and Indie bands. I know it was by chance, but i sort of measure that whole period with this album in the early days and Gay Dad Leisure noise as the full stop in 1999. Just a personal view, i don’t want any flack. So i am really looking forward to this release and as mentioned before, the Milton Keynes show would be a welcome part of this release too.

AndyB

It is certainly better than “Green”!

Ian B

This is one of my favourite R.E.M albums I liked it when they ‘Rockier’ and its why i like them as a band is that they liked to be experimental and let their creativity take them wherever it wanted that is what made them unique rather than sticking to a formula. Looking forward to the SDE.

Lenny

If you can pick an adjective somewhere between “Not any bit as good as Document or Life’s Rich Pageant” (which I absolutely love), and “shite”, it would describe my feelings towards Monster. A big disappointment to see them for the first time on that tour. Next time they came to Perth was a much better concert

Gisabun

I am guessing nobody will be 100% happy with whatever they do. It was an era of CD singles with multiple unreleased or live or demo tracks. Whether they put all on it is to be determined.
[Take for example the peter Gabriel’s So box set – a large chunk of tracks were left off.]
That said, if the label thinks they can make money off a box set – no matter how bad it may be – they’ll release it.

David Bly

“That said, if the label thinks they can make money off a box set – no matter how bad it may be – they’ll release it.”

Brief reply to this…

R.E.M. gained the rights to their Warner Bros. catalogue some years ago and ALL current releases are their decisions alone, and have nothing to do with the company releasing them – Craft Recordings, a division of Concord Record Group.

So don’t go blaming the label.

Uncle Meat

R.E.M. found fame and fortune with Out Of Time and Automatic For The People etc. but it is their fantastic earlier albums – the first five – that are their most exciting to me, musicwise. Document will always be their finest hour.

Pádraig Collins

The Slane concert in Ireland from 1995, audio and, hopefully, video.

They played nine songs from Monster, which is their most underrated album.
Setlist
What’s the Frequency, Kenneth?
Crush With Eyeliner
Drive
Try Not to Breathe
Bang and Blame
Undertow
I Took Your Name
I Don’t Sleep, I Dream
Strange Currencies
Revolution
Tongue
Man on the Moon
Country Feedback
Losing My Religion
Pop Song 89
Finest Worksong
Get Up
Star 69

Encore:
Let Me In
Everybody Hurts
So. Central Rain
Departure
It’s the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine)

Paul-Denis Clermont

100% agree!

Chris

One of the Monster shows is already available on the BBC box set, so I can’t see that happening.
Maybe Road Movie on Blu Ray

David Perry

My guess –

B-Sides from the Monster period, which were on the whole that Athens 40 Watt show, right?
perhaps The Tongue cassette you could tape them all on?

Road movie DVD on Blu Ray.
Demos galore.

Massively underrated album, a poundland classic if ever there was one.
Songs are incredibly strong and well sequenced.

Could really do with a remix, which might open some ears 25 years after the event.

Justin Cole

What do I want on the 25th anniversary Monster set? Remove all Monster-era content and replace with whatever will be on the New Adventures In Hi-Fi 25th.

And God only knows what these deluxe sets will be like if the program continues into the post Bill Berry years (Around The Sun super deluxe? Pffffffffft).

patjoller

Can’t wait.
I hope there will be a live show (probably one recorded at the omni in atlanta, those are available in bootleg form). But this is tricky as the tour rehearsals were used to record songs that will end up on the New adventures album, we won’t get those songs now. Anyway, whatever they will release is fine by me, can’t get enough of REM…. and I like this album, of course it’s not their finest but what can you expect after automatic for the people, can’t make another masterpiece that easily.

Simon

Not every album a band released deserves a ‘Super Deluxe Edition’ and certainly not Monster which is a weak album.

kook

Whether it’s “deserved” is neither here nor there – we’re talking about a product, not a knighthood. Like it or not, the only question is whether people will buy it (which seems a fairly safe bet in this case).

Who would get to decide what SDEs are “deserved” anyway? Fans? Critics? You?

Steven

Hopefully, though I have it on promo 12″ they’ll include the 808 state remix of King Of Comedy. I thought it was a great album. I have the surround sound DVD audio version of this album as I bought a double disc version of it that has the album on CD and DVD audio also and it’s great. Hopefully plenty of demos/unreleased tracks as well as live stuff.

musicoloog

The 808 State remix of ‘King Of Comedy’ has been released as bonus track on a cd-maxi..
The flipside of the 12″ promo however, the instrumental version, hasn’t been released commercially as far as I know…

El Nino

‘Monster’ seems to divide people for some reason. I like it but it is by far the most common REM title I see in the charity shop bins.

David Bly

There’s a very good reason for this.

The previous two albums, “Out Of Time” and “Automatic For The People” especially brought a whole new audience to them.

Here in the States people that had previously hardly ever listened to them suddenly liked the really ‘poppy’ stuff like “Stand”, “Shiny Happy People”, and “Man On The Moon”.
Add to that the ‘quiet’ songs like “Everybody Hurts”, “Nightswimming”, and “Find The River”.

As a result, loads of people didn’t know about how hard they could rock.
THAT is why so many copies of “Monster” got returned.
These people who would just as likely listen to gooey pop treacle just couldn’t handle it.

For me, outside of the non-Bill Berry albums, “AFTP” is my least-liked R.E.M. album precisely cause it’s so overly quiet.

There’s the simple reason.

Joseph Stone

Blu-ray AUDIO with Atmos mix! The last two surround mixes have been great! Looking forward to this super deluxe box set indeed.

Andrew M

Have you heard the dvd 5.1 mixes? Automatic atoms was DREADFUL

New Guy

A better mix of the vocals. Example “Let Me In”, I think the live version on Road Movie is a lot better than the studio version because I can hear the vocals.

Blu-Ray with 5.1 Surround Sound always good.

Live disc.

I can probably do without the demos. I generally only listen to them once.

Will

I’d like to hear some never released songs from the album sessions!!

jim

my all time fave REM album… i still listen to this one monthly or so!

i’ll buy regardless… but really want a dolby atmos remixed 5.1 surround blu ray… demos, live tracks from the era…

i have the original dvd audio of AFTP and the reissue box set from last year with the blu ray atmos mix and there is definitely large difference in the mix and the surround quality… can’t wait to hear MONSTER in atmos!

Michael Kearns

Plenty Of Live Material From The Monster Era + Any demos + Any unreleased tracks from the album would be great.

Andy b in the place 2 b

I may bite if in the sale but I peaked with the previous album. Just found REM loosing their stride and coolness and start slipping downhill into dad music and Bollocksville.

David Bly

You call “Monster” ‘dad music’. That’s crazy.
If any album approached ‘dad music’, if would be “Automatic For The People”.

I actually don’t agree either is, but I’ll bet more dads are out there listening to “Everybody Hurts” instead of “Bang And Blame” or “I Took Your Name”

David Stanley

Love this album, surprised at the negative reaction. Maybe after “Automatic For the People” which I can’t listen to any longer as it was so dominant and so “important”. And can’t stomach “Out of Time” at all, too poppy for me. This had the right balance.

John S

I’d love to see the photos used for a free calendar that came with one of the 7″ Singles, an expert will be able to elaborate but i recall them looking as if they were 70’s teenager photos…they had that overcoloured 70’s look to them as well.

Kevin Wollenweber

If rumors of a complete B-sides box are true, I feel greatly relieved, because my hopes for these box sets were that I’d be able to ditch the CD singles that I’d emassed when they were officially released. Having said that, I was hoping that the trend on these deluxe editions or super deluxe editions would change and we’d start getting B-sides in the mix. I’m not one for the instrumental takes, but I always like a timely live show or two.

poptones

I tend to agree about live shows, there are probably enough R.E.M. live shows available but for the Monster tour, it was really special. No pun intended but they were really monster rock shows built for stadiums and festivals. Wether it’s small venues, big arenas or stadiums, I’ve seen R.E.M. live several times from the mid-80s to 2001 and if you take into account their Warner era (and especially after Out of Time when they started to play big arenas and stadiums), they delivered their best stadium live shows during the Monster tour.

David Bly

I saw R.E.M. from nearly the beginning – in small clubs and college cafeterias, all the way up to the Monster tour, and I agree that of the “arena era”, the Monster tour was the best.

I saw about 6 shows of the tour, and ironically, of the live tracks that appeared on “New Adventures…” and “Road Movie”, I was a shows on either the day before or day after of some of them! Oh, well…

Richard

What about the Brixton Academy show. That would be ace. I still have the set list and some typed lyrics that Stipey threw into the audience at the end. One of my best gigs.

Kauwgompie

I had to laugh about the “charity shop staple” comments as that is totally true. I think Monster is not that bad. Much better than ppl make it out to be. I stopped buying REM after Up.

Anyway, they will probably follow the same format as Out Of Time and Automatic FTP so album, demos, a live show and a blu Ray 5.1 surround of the album. No surround disc is no sale for me. The surround is a safe bet I think as they made a surround mix of the album in 2005. There was also a surround mix of AFTP done in 2003 so they just took that off the shelve.

I would rather have the B-sides than an upteenth R.E.M. live show but it won’t happen. Makes no sense other than to wait and then release a box set of B-sides which doesn’t have my preference. It’s better to have the B-sides with the album singles they belong to so it is more coherent. Each album has their own sound which includes the B-sides.
And how many live shows do you want? We have 8 live albums from Bowie in the 70’s (including Bowie at the BBC), at some point, no matter how much you like the artist, enough is enough. With all the R.E.M. reissues I bought I have 8 live shows. That is enough for me. So pls give us the B-sides.

AdamW

Actaully the surround mix of AFTP was not just taken off the shelf, but it was an entirely new surround mix from the original tapes, in a different format (Dolby Atmos, True-HD 7.1-compatible vs Dolby Digital or DTS 5.1).

I like Monster, too – its hits weren’t as good, but it’s album tracks were pretty strong overall.

denverpile

Nearly all the B-sides were released on the AFTP box in 2017 as they came from the greenpeace concert at the 40 watt club in ‘92. Only 3 b-sides remain – all live tracks. We might get them?

denverpile

Plus the instrumental tracks of course!

Blake

Hmm… well, for some people – it might be nice to have the full set of concerts from the Omni, Atlanta, GA, as that was the source for “Road Movie” – or just the audio from “Road Movie” but incorporate all of the unique tracks. I’ve had them for some time now, but have no idea how common the bootlegs are.

But for me – it’d be nice if it included all of the instrumental mixes, the stuff from the Fan Club singles, and some demo’s & outtakes

Francesco

I won’t be surprised if this one comes in the shape of a circle or a triangle.

Mad Earwig

Have loved REM since ‘Life’s Rich Pageant’ back in the late 80’s which is still my favourite.
‘Monster’ is probably my least favourite as I felt it was a bit throwaway and sounds hastily recorded.
I recall it was meant to be played live but it lacked the majesty of ‘Automatic’ and the fine arrangements/ musicianship of ‘New Adventures’. It has has a more raucous feel and very guitar laden but a bit samey.

I return to it, to try and get to like it but I think ‘What’s The Frequency’ is one of their worst tracks with no hooks or melody.
I do enjoy ‘Let Me In’ and ‘Bang and Blame’ but ‘King Of Comedy’ is poor.

Each to their own though.

Mike the Fish

I’m not keen on this album. It would take a much lower price, and a different surround mix to pull me in. Demos tend to be of very limited interest to me. Early/alternate mixes are much more interesting to me, but I don’t think there’s much chance of content appeal and price combining to make it an easy and exiting purchase. I’m interested in the new Automatic mix but it’s priced way out of my league. It’s opposite to the Big Chair box where I was interested in the extra material and the 5.1 inclusion was a bonus – and it was much more keenly priced.

Klaus

the Fish:

AFTP both DE and SDE are still available via paulsmith.com, SDE asking price GBP 38 or EUR 43.

When you enter the site for the first time you’ll be asked which Country you’re in and the price will be shown in your local currency after choosing.

It can be either send to you for reasonable p&p (for me in Germany it was EUR 5) or if you have a shop of them around you can choose “Click and Collect” and they deliver it to the shop you’ve chosen at no additional cost.

For that price i finally bagged it too (after finding it waaay to expensive before) and the packaging was absolutely brilliant, no comparison to the Amazon packing lottery.

The DE on the other hand is still priced a bit steep with GBP 13 / EUR 15, but that was cheap enough on several sites before x-mas, i bought mine for EUR 6 as part of a 3-for-18-offer on saturn.de.

Kauwgompie

, how on earth did you find that? Paulsmith.com? That seems a clothing store/website but somehow they sell this. I did a search on their website for R.E.M. thinking it would give me an error msg but the AFTP SDE showed up for $45. That’s insanely cheap.

Klaus

I’m not the one to take credit for that. IIRC someone commented it beneath a “This Weeks Deals”-post right before christmas. I myself ordered it on Christmas Eve.
I’ve never heard before of Paul Smith but it seems like they offered an R.E.M. clozhing line in 2017 and thought it a good idea to stock these to go along with that.
Obviously not everyone hear read that comment, so i’m happy to help.

Mike the Fish

– thank you taking the time to post that. It has been ordered as a later birthday present. What an obscure place to find it!

Michael

After Green, Monster is my secpnd favorite R.E.M. album. I want a quality standalone vinyl edition. I would also like a blu-ray with a concert and music videos. Beyond that, a live cd would be nice. I never listen to most demos so that is irrelevant to me. I just hope the remastering is quality.

Jim Vandegrift

1) Hopefully it won’t be brickwalled 2) Original packaging + outtake art work 3) They will include live work hope they pick a complete good show. 4) They are holding back b sides for a box set

Kevin

Hmmm. Well, I’ll likely get the 2 disc version of whatever the super deluxe entails. My preference for the second disc would be a well recorded live show, but it’ll probably be demos. I would have to second the inclusion of Rough Cut in the SDE, but it’s doubtful that would pull me to shell out for it. It really is their first “Okay” album after an arguably peerless run beginning in 1982. I just think they spun their approach too hard towards the sound they wanted to achieve as opposed to writing the strongest possible material, irrespective of stylistic concerns. There’s a reason so many used ones showed up in the shops.

Sean O'Brien

Would love to see a dual box set of Monster and New Adventures in Hi-Fi as that record was recorded during the Monster tour sound checks. This would afford the inclusion of era videos and the significant number of Hi-Fi Outtakes and B-sides. They included covers of songs such as Sponge, Wall of Death, Love is All Around, and Wichita Lineman as well as rumored additional Patti Smith collaborations.

Richard

:o oh my god I’d forgotten about Wall Of Death. That is a great song!

CJ Feeney

Wall of Death was released on this album.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Beat-Retreat-Songs-Richard-Thompson/dp/B000G73Y5U

I’m surprised it’s still in print, but I highly recommend it.

Jason Brown

25 years already? Blimey…

Assuming it’ll be a 3CD+Blu-Ray set and hardback book…

Disc 1 – Album Remastered
Disc 2 – Demos
Disc 3 – Live (but try to use live versions of Monster-only stuff – or Green, as that hasn’t had an SDE yet)
Disc 4 – Blu-Ray; so album in 5.1, videos, EPK – but how about from-the-era TV interviews? Slideshows of interviews in RS, MM, NME, etc? And maybe a gig from some where on the Monster tour, or loads of pics, etc.

Blu-Ray has a massive capacity, and I’ve seen few discs that seem to use it to the full.

Looking forward to £89.99 in autumn…

MFG

Monster was all about R.E.M.’s return to the stage, so how about the Road Movie DVD plus two bonus CDs of a previously-unreleased live tracks (same show or best of several shows, whatever sounds the best)? Even better than Road Movie would be new footage of live performances not previously released on DVD or Blu-Ray.

Dave

Have a lot of love for this album…

I was originally annoyed at the fact that all boxed sets were of varying sizes but even that’s a minor quibble!

Have picked up most of the previous for decent prices, sure this will be no exception.

Paul… keep up the stellar work on SDE. One of my ‘go to’ sites for a long time now.

andrew R

The beginning of the end for R.E.M this would be their Tonight followed by Never let me down or new adventures in hi fi as they titled it . It as somebody else commented a 99p charity shop staple as is the follow up if you could find one. New adventures was practically given away from day one. I confidently expect the box set to be residing in the same charity bin before too long.
pS Iam no R.E.M. hater .Ipurchased Murmur on its day of release but they should have taken a break after Bills collapse and reformed after some years in my opinion.

kook

They should have taken a break before ‘Around The Sun’ and then reformed afterwards…

Tim-Meh

A career in band management awaits m’lad.

Caroline

Equating “NAIH-F” with “NLMD” is borderline madness. If they’d left “New Adventures” until early ’97 and given it a less throwaway title, it would have done vastly better. I mean, it’s got “New Test Leper” on it! And “Bittersweet Me”!

Anyway, “Monster”? It’s OK – rehearsal, demo and outtake material please rather than live stuff – we already have plenty of live stuff.

andrewR

Borderline madness is a bit harsh? The comparison was the way you go from massive success (lets dance) to (nlmd) in a short period rather than a comment on the actual music produced.

Michael

Monster was their biggest triumph and star turn. New Adventures was a great record but more of an indie spirit. They share nothing at all with mid 80s Bowie. Around the Sun is the bad one.

Iain McCarthy

I’m not quite sure what they can put on this. I would be pretty disappointed if we get a CD or DVD of ‘Road Movie’. They could put the ‘Rough Cut’ documentary on a DVD, however, this is widely available on youtube etc. Maybe there are some interesting rehearsal tapes or demos. If we get some live stuff i hope it is a show in the vaults that we haven’t heard before.